******* dads.

[fishonjazz]

I've always worried I'd like it too much so I've stayed away from it.

Good idea. My wife feels the same way. (She has never tried it)

Ftr, I have not done coke since my bachelor party in Vegas (6 years ago)

Have not had the opportunity since then tbh.

 

[TroutBum]

I know I'm way late to the parade, but... You're a good man, Trout. I'm sure we're all curious about the specifics, but they aren't important. This a**hole disowned one of his two sons over what sounds to be something pretty unimportant in the long run, and the family condones it? Sounds to me like you're the only white sheep. I hope you take it a step further and give the kid a new home.

Your post got me thinking...

What if this kid got caught doing something worse? Let's say he was meeting an underaged girl for a BJ, or selling drugs, or robbing credit unions? What if he was stealing money from the dad and using it to pay a hit man to kill the father?

Those are somewhat extreme, but you get the idea. Where is your breaking point? Rather, at what point would you change your mind and say that the father is justified?


This is a question for all of you, btw.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I feel like I shouldn't post in this tread... but people who say they dont like being on Coke, shrooms, ecstasy, lsd and others seems odd to me. Coke is a terrible habit but man you feel great on it.

Baffles me that Weed and Shrooms are illegal. Obviously that is changing but still odd that people fight it so much. Alcohol is much worse for your body long term and short term as well as your ability to make good decisions than any of the things I listed above.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Also this Dad is totally in the wrong and being an *******. I have been on both ends of these situations and Dads shouldn't act like this.

Hope the kid is staying with some good people right now. He will be fine and figure things out without his Dad but the worse thing for him right now is to be living with some people making really bad decisions. Sadly when mormon kids in Provo are a little lost they find people who are really lost and get dragged down.

 

[franklin]

Coke does.

Like you said, not a good habit to have for long term and like cy said, it's pricey (especially if you do it like I do, which most people do....... line after line after line till it's gone) but damn do I feel great and have a blast when hittin that booger sugar

I have never tried coke either, I've done shrooms a couple of times, and I just recently started smoking weed again. The weed out here is fantastic.

Yes, back to drugs! Glad to see another willing to admit..

Never tried drugs in my life. Been at parties where it was happening but never interested me.

Dat D.A.R.E. pedge doe. You drink, you should try a drug if for no other reason than to flip off society for telling you what you can and cannot do.

I have never tried coke either, I've done shrooms a couple of times, and I just recently started smoking weed again. The weed out here is fantastic.

Wish I liked weed. There's pretty much nothing I'd rather do less than smoke weed. I'm curious if anyone else absolutely hates the low as much as I do. It's the most miserable drug on earth to me. I'd rather have my appendix removed without painkillers than smoke pot.

 

[Gameface]

I feel like I shouldn't post in this tread... but people who say they dont like being on Coke, shrooms, ecstasy, lsd and others seems odd to me. Coke is a terrible habit but man you feel great on it.

Baffles me that Weed and Shrooms are illegal. Obviously that is changing but still odd that people fight it so much. Alcohol is much worse for your body long term and short term as well as your ability to make good decisions than any of the things I listed above.

I have tried LSD or Shrooms maybe 5 times in total. 3 of those times I had a horrible time. One of the times I was feeling good and having fun my best friend went into cardiac arrest (intentionally ****ed up acid from a kid our group of friends had a major falling out with and apparently he tried to kill us. 11 of the 13 kids who took the acid went to the ER that night. My friend got it the worst and I basically had the best experience on LSD I ever had up until it was clear he was in trouble). I tend to get massive stomach cramps and feel like I've got a 20lb turd stuck in my guts. I also tend to get very anxious and frustrated. Hallucinogenics just don't agree with me at all.

 

[franklin]

Not until I was in my 20's did I realize my dad was the best and I was in fact the *******.

I think you're right for the most part.

I used to fight with my dad all the time. He's a hardass, and you do things his way or you don't do it at all. We also work together, so we were around eachother all the time. Eventually I found God, changed my attitude, and my dad mellowed out. He's my best friend now. We still work together and talk about everything. I wish everybody could have that kind of relationship!

As for this story, dad seems like a prick, but we only know one side of the story too.

Cute feelers.

 

[fishonjazz]

Dat D.A.R.E. pedge doe. You drink, you should try a drug if for no other reason than to flip off society for telling you what you can and cannot do.

Lol

Wish I liked weed. There's pretty much nothing I'd rather do less than smoke weed. I'm curious if anyone else absolutely hates the low as much as I do. It's the most miserable drug on earth to me. I'd rather have my appendix removed without painkillers than smoke pot.

I know some people like that. You are not alone.

 

[RJF]

Bunch of ****ing druggies up in here...

 

[TroutBum]

I have tried LSD or Shrooms maybe 5 times in total. 3 of those times I had a horrible time. One of the times I was feeling good and having fun my best friend went into cardiac arrest (intentionally ****ed up acid from a kid our group of friends had a major falling out with and apparently he tried to kill us. 11 of the 13 kids who took the acid went to the ER that night. My friend got it the worst and I basically had the best experience on LSD I ever had up until it was clear he was in trouble). I tend to get massive stomach cramps and feel like I've got a 20lb turd stuck in my guts. I also tend to get very anxious and frustrated. Hallucinogenics just don't agree with me at all.

Well, at least you tried it FIVE times...

Getting plastered, or even mildly drunk, would ruin me for at least the next 24 to 48 hours. It didn't take long before I realized that weed was a lot safer and infinitely more fun than getting hammered.

 

[Gameface]

Well, at least you tried it FIVE times...

Getting plastered, or even mildly drunk, would ruin me for at least the next 24 to 48 hours. It didn't take long before I realized that weed was a lot safer and infinitely more fun than getting hammered.

Five times over the course of my childhood. I knew kids who did that **** all the time. I usually stayed away but had no specific objection to it.

The time my friend had a heat attack on some bad acid he was home for a couple days for Thanksgiving from ARTEC and that's what he wanted to do.

 

[TroutBum]

I played with LEGO's and G.I. Joe's when I was a kid. You must have had an awesome childhood.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Five times over the course of my childhood. I knew kids who did that **** all the time. I usually stayed away but had no specific objection to it.

The time my friend had a heat attack on some bad acid he was home for a couple days for Thanksgiving from ARTEC and that's what he wanted to do.

The downside to most recreational drugs is that they are not pure or not what you think you are taking. LSD has relatively few side effects if pure, even a decent amount of it. But more often than not you are taking something else or cut with crap. LSD is relatively one of the harder rec drugs to find. Stomach stuff can happen with some people heart stuff should not happen.

Shroom besides a minorly upset stomach should have pretty much no side effect.

People who have "bad trips" just get scared and worried on it. Just do something fun and be around fun people and its fine.

Acid trip and shroom trips are pretty much the same just Acid seems to last longer.

I have been around a **** ton of drugs. I would do certain ones more often if they were not illegal. But I dont really feel the need to risk my future for some fun.

I do go to burning man though... some people do lots of stuff there. I have seen almost all of it, rumors have it there are some great combos...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The downside to most recreational drugs is that they are not pure or not what you think you are taking. LSD has relatively few side effects if pure, even a decent amount of it. But more often than not you are taking something else or cut with crap. LSD is relatively one of the harder rec drugs to find. Stomach stuff can happen with some people heart stuff should not happen.

Shroom besides a minorly upset stomach should have pretty much no side effect.

People who have "bad trips" just get scared and worried on it. Just do something fun and be around fun people and its fine.

Acid trip and shroom trips are pretty much the same just Acid seems to last longer.

I have been around a **** ton of drugs. I would do certain ones more often if they were not illegal. But I dont really feel the need to risk my future for some fun.

I do go to burning man though... some people do lots of stuff there. I have seen almost all of it, rumors have it there are some great combos...

Yeah, some kid at our school died from taking some kind of knock-off acid.

 

[Gameface]

I played with LEGO's and G.I. Joe's when I was a kid. You must have had an awesome childhood.

Like the tenth time I've said it but I was a five time felon (stuff I got caught for) as a juvenile. In this day and age I probably would have been tried as an adult at some point...would never have served 6 discipline free years in the Navy, wouldn't be paying my taxes today, would be living in prison and all of you would be footing the bill.

Thank goodness we're not clock work organisms. Thank goodness when I was a kid it was understood that kids grow up and change into adults if you let them.

 

[VINYLONE]

The downside to most recreational drugs is that they are not pure or not what you think you are taking. LSD has relatively few side effects if pure, even a decent amount of it. But more often than not you are taking something else or cut with crap. LSD is relatively one of the harder rec drugs to find. Stomach stuff can happen with some people heart stuff should not happen.

Shroom besides a minorly upset stomach should have pretty much no side effect.

People who have "bad trips" just get scared and worried on it. Just do something fun and be around fun people and its fine.

Acid trip and shroom trips are pretty much the same just Acid seems to last longer.

I have been around a **** ton of drugs. I would do certain ones more often if they were not illegal. But I dont really feel the need to risk my future for some fun.

I do go to burning man though... some people do lots of stuff there. I have seen almost all of it, rumors have it there are some great combos...

Absolutely. For a better understanding of what The Bronc is talking about, search for the "What's In My Baggie" documentary on the youtubes. Incredibly eye opening.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Yeah, some kid at our school died from taking some kind of knock-off acid.

Typically the high end of what you would buy and take is 300 micrograms overdosing is around a few thousand micrograms and usually even then death is not a concern if its pure unless you have a heart problem already. Then a severe overdose could be scary. IMO there is no reason to overdose, its not like you get much more out of it. Some stuff you increase "the fun of it" this is not one. It is also not addicting.

Sad to see anyone die of drugs or alcohol though, wish people were more educated about stuff and not just scared of everything.

Some kids are going to do drugs and have sex and other stuff no matter how much you try to "scare them" away from it. Seems much smarter to teach the consequences of stuff more specifically.

Lots of times kids get told drugs are bad and will kill you. Then they try something like weed and its fine, so they assume what they were taught was a lie (which it was) and venture way to far into stuff that will kill you like heroin and to a somewhat lesser extent meth.

 

[TheStormofWar]

So, that's my rant. What do you guys think?

Do not injustice to another.
Defend the weak and innocent.
Let truth and honor always guide you.
Let courage find a life within.
Stand up when no one else is willing.
Act not in hatred or in spite.
Be to this world as a perfect knight,
Even if it means your life.

Simple words to say, but difficult to live by. You mentioned that you are already a grey sheep in the family flock and afraid of going black. To be honest, I was in a similar situation where a family member was did some... heinous things, both to himself and others. However, the rest of the family was defending him, saying he could do no wrong. I worked with him, coaxed him, and was as tactful as possible. When I stood up to him and gave him an ultimatum, he chose to continue down his road. As a result of my actions, I was ostracized, excluded, and eventually left out in the cold. That family member eventually died as a result of his actions and the family will STILL not talk to me.

But my conscience is clear and my actions were honorable. You cannot put value on a good night's sleep. I still have other family, friends, my wife, and a life that is (to me) worth living.

Do unto others, my friend. I hope this helps.

 

[Gameface]

Do not injustice to another.
Defend the weak and innocent.
Let truth and honor always guide you.
Let courage find a life within.
Stand up when no one else is willing.
Act not in hatred or in spite.
Be to this world as a perfect knight,
Even if it means your life.

Simple words to say, but difficult to live by. You mentioned that you are already a grey sheep in the family flock and afraid of going black. To be honest, I was in a similar situation where a family member was did some... heinous things, both to himself and others. However, the rest of the family was defending him, saying he could do no wrong. I worked with him, coaxed him, and was as tactful as possible. When I stood up to him and gave him an ultimatum, he chose to continue down his road. As a result of my actions, I was ostracized, excluded, and eventually left out in the cold. That family member eventually died as a result of his actions and the family will STILL not talk to me.

But my conscience is clear and my actions were honorable. You cannot put value on a good night's sleep. I still have other family, friends, my wife, and a life that is (to me) worth living.

Do unto others, my friend. I hope this helps.

Kind of intense.

 

[UGLI baby]

Seriously? I had the impression you at least had LDS roots, but you have no idea how LDS families work. . . or don't work, to be more precise.

Lessee. . . . .

So there's this tribe in deepest darkest AmazoniaCongoland that can only be discovered by crawling into a certain cave in the Australian Outback, coming out on an unknown island no one has discovered yet in the hollow earth under the Antarctic Icecap, where you have to crawl outta the cave and jump down into what looks like a freakin' volcano. . . .into the jungle of all jungles, where the tribe of Mormons can be found existing in their natural habitat, a sort of irrigated Hell, if you will. . . .

MormonDad goes to the Wardcouncil while MormonMom goes the WardquiltingBee, a sort of His/hers clearinghouse of social acceptability. They have to talk about their kids, in connection with comparatives from all the other wardDads and wardMoms, and the main criteria of acceptability is a pious submissive demeanor while properly attired on Sunday mornings. It might LOOK live two kids are each doing all the right things, smiling properly at all the Right People, but you hafta be there, and hear the gossip, to get the significant clues as to what really lies deep in the hearts of MormonKid and SatanKid. Piranhas feeding on hunks of raw meat are more "Christian" than these status exchanges in Mormonland.

But it doesn't matter.

Trout, Don't make the mistake of assuming there is justice, or good sense, in this world. Just do what needs doing when you see something you care about. I can bear you my personal testimony that you can buck the Mormon tribe and just not give a crap, and say what you think you must. It's like the price early Christians paid for saying they worshipped Jesus, sure you get helped right out to a new world and new life, but it's a better life. There's a bigger tribe just around the bend of the river that'll take you right in, comprised by the UGLI millions who have done just that.

Right here on Knowitall Mountain, I can see the problem. It looks like what happens when a cow births twins. They are both perfectly good calves, but the second one always totally displaces the first one because it's smells are the latest smells to bind to the Mom's receptors, and forever that calf will smell like "hers" while the other one just has to be bottle-fed.

I have twins myself, and momma rejected the firstborn from day one and bonded with the other. Anyway, I have bottle-fed a lot of rejected calves, and I bottle-fed my twins, too.

Cliff notes in English pls.

(By someone who is not babe)