Favors next season?

[fishonjazz]

I’d like to see what a comparison of these numbers look like from the beginning of the season (when Rubio/Mitchell were trying to figure out how to play together) and how they’ve looked since Gobert came back from injury.

I just feel like they’ve been clicking since that point and this is the second time that the Jazz have looked amazing while they’ve been healthy and on the court together (end of 2014/15 season as well).

I also wonder how much Hood and Johnson playing significant roles vs. Crowder and O’Neale impacts those numbers. This roster just seems to fit a LOT better now than they did at the beginning of the season.

And they’re winning together. That can’t be understated.

Good stuff here. I have nothing to disagree with. Seems like right now every player combination is working tbh. In quin and DL we trust.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Does plus minus include defense? Cause Favs and Gobert together has been crazy good lately. And I'm not sure Udoh would have the same affect.

Of course it does.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I’d like to see what a comparison of these numbers look like from the beginning of the season (when Rubio/Mitchell were trying to figure out how to play together) and how they’ve looked since Gobert came back from injury.

I just feel like they’ve been clicking since that point and this is the second time that the Jazz have looked amazing while they’ve been healthy and on the court together (end of 2014/15 season as well).

I also wonder how much Hood and Johnson playing significant roles vs. Crowder and O’Neale impacts those numbers. This roster just seems to fit a LOT better now than they did at the beginning of the season.

And they’re winning together. That can’t be understated.

Our only lineups with enough minutes to draw any conclusions post all-star are our starters Rubio-Mitchell-Inlges-Favors-Gobert and that lineup swapping Favors for Crowder. Those lineups have a 118 and 106 minutes together. Our next closest lineup only has 22 minutes on court together.

Both of those lineups are very good but the Crowder one is better. Although that lineup also plays against less starters. But the Favors one is +12 and the Crowder one is +33. The biggest difference is that the Crowder one is posting a defensive rating of 80, which is crazy crazy good. I doubt that is sustainable but still impressive. The offensive ratings are pretty close. The Favors rating is still a really impressive 99.

But there are so many factors including that we often start slow. Mitchell for example doesnt do much early.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I will also add to above that Crowder has made our defense better in the lineups but there are many factors to that. But just to show that those stats are a little skewed Gobert and Jerebko have played a decent amount of minutes together post all-star and they are posting better defensive ratings than either Favors or Crowder with Gobert. Matchups change things a lot.

Udoh and anyone also posts better defensive rating than anything. Udoh has better defensive rating than Gobert but I dont believe he is a better defender.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I will also add to above that Crowder has made our defense better in the lineups but there are many factors to that. But just to show that those stats are a little skewed Gobert and Jerebko have played a decent amount of minutes together post all-star and they are posting better defensive ratings than either Favors or Crowder with Gobert. Matchups change things a lot.

Udoh and anyone also posts better defensive rating than anything. Udoh has better defensive rating than Gobert but I dont believe he is a better defender.

Congrats. Favors is still expendable.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I love the Gobert, Favors, Crowder, Jerebko, Udoh, Bradley and Sefalosha frontcourt. All things considered, I’d like them all to return next year (at about their current salaries) and see how this thing looks with Gobert, Favors and Sefalosha healthy the whole year.

I don’t think Crowder holds up well as the primary PF for the whole season, but he’s an incredibly important . His best value likely comes as a small ball 4 in the playoffs when teams get smaller. He’s a guy that helps guard Durant and LeBron in the playoffs when they move to the 4 more.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Congrats. Favors is still expendable.

Sure, everyone not named Gobert or Mitchell is. Maybe Ingles isn't as well. But that doesn't mean it won't hurt us to lose him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Sure, everyone not named Gobert or Mitchell is. Maybe Ingles isn't as well. But that doesn't mean it won't hurt us to lose him.

I honestly don't think he'd be missed that much on the floor, and I don't think that is worth eight figures of cap in 2019.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I honestly don't think he'd be missed that much on the floor, and I don't think that is worth eight figures of cap in 2019.

Fair enough, but I disagree.

 

[silesian]

The Jazz can trade Burks with a second round pick as an expiring contract most likely this year. Or they could package him with Bradley or one of our better 1+1 assets (who I think are redundant) if a team is interested. It's a lot easier to trade a guy who only has one year left as opposed to that second year.

The value of an expiring contract to a team is if the counterparty exchanges it for a longer-term contract, so they free space for upcoming free agency period. No one will take Burks at $10M for a 2nd round pick, unless the Jazz take back a longer-term contract in exchange.

 

[Coach Ellis]

The value of an expiring contract to a team is if the counterparty exchanges it for a longer-term contract, so they free space for upcoming free agency period. No one will take Burks at $10M for a 2nd round pick, unless the Jazz take back a longer-term contract in exchange.

Or they could try to trade him for a larger expiring contract. Save a team some cash and give them a pick in the process. Doesn’t necessarily have to be for a long-term deal.

 

[infection]

Here’s a great scenario on a number of fronts:

1. NOP miss the playoffs.
2. Davis becomes malcontent.
3. NOP decides to cash it in and blow it up, trading AD for Hayward and picks.
4. NOP, now looking to cash in assets and no longer pressed to lock up cap space with Cousins, decides to take a flyer on Bradley and takes back AB in exchange for Mirotic. Then we get to keep all of Udoh, Thabo, and Jerebko.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Here’s a great scenario on a number of fronts:

1. NOP miss the playoffs.
2. Davis becomes malcontent.
3. NOP decides to cash it in and blow it up, trading AD for Hayward and picks.
4. NOP, now looking to cash in assets and no longer pressed to lock up cap space with Cousins, decides to take a flyer on Bradley and takes back AB in exchange for Mirotic. Then we get to keep all of Udoh, Thabo, and Jerebko.

Why in the **** do we want Boston to get Anthony Davis? Do we actually want them to look good and possibly win a championship - thus validating Ainge’s douchieness?

I personally hope that Hayward stays in Boston and they become the East coast version of the Clippers. All flash and no substance. Several early playoff exits that tarnish everyone out there’s legacy.

Ever since Hayward jilted Utah, Jazzfanz wants to trade them good **** and make them a contender. Screw that.

 

[Jack Strop]

Here’s a great scenario on a number of fronts:

1. NOP miss the playoffs.
2. Davis becomes malcontent.
3. NOP decides to cash it in and blow it up, trading AD for Hayward and picks.
4. NOP, now looking to cash in assets and no longer pressed to lock up cap space with Cousins, decides to take a flyer on Bradley and takes back AB in exchange for Mirotic. Then we get to keep all of Udoh, Thabo, and Jerebko.

I think the great scenario fails at assumption #1. Based on remaining games, I think NO has a better chance at making the playoffs over Denver, LA Clippers, SA and maybe even OKC and Utah.

Here's a much simpler scenario.
1. NO Orleans makes the playoffs.
2. A first round exit convinces the Pelicans that Cousins-AD-Holiday is the Big3 they want.
3. NO does NOT want to pay the luxury tax and therefore, must offload Mirotic to a team that a) wants him and b) can absorb his salary without sending anything back other than picks or cheap prospects.
4. Jazz can do that by renouncing rights to Favors and declining options on two of: Sefolosha, Udoh and Jerbeko. Crowder and Mirotic make Jerebko and Thabo unnecessary. If Favors leaves, Jazz probably want to keep Udoh as the backup 5.
5. Utah sends NO the rights their 2018 pick and a future second for Mirotic.

Here's a quick look at what the salaries would be. And no, I'm not a capologist, so someone please correct my figures and assumptions if I'm wrong. But I do believe - at least under the prior CBA - that 13 roster spots need to be accounted for, which is why I put in a placeholder for 2. Not sure of the charge, but I guessed around ~1M each.

Gobert 22.7
Mitchell 3.1
Rubio 14.8
Crowder 7.3
Ingles 12.5
O'Neale 1.4
Bradley 1.7
Burks 11.5
Subtotal 75.1
Exum - RFA?? 10.0
Min Roster (2) 2.0
Udoh 3.4
Mirotic 12.5
Total (13) 103.0

 

[David Stern]

Hayward has almost no trade value right now, there's no way that deal is happening.

 

[David Stern]

Bump. Bring him back.


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[Coach Ellis]

Bump. Bring him back.

I’ve been stumping for this for awhile now. Gobert/Favors/Crowder is such a unique frontcourt. I’d love to see them keep it together a little longer.

 

[infection]

Hayward has almost no trade value right now, there's no way that deal is happening.

Bump. Bring him back.

Hayward?

 

[elan_prodigy]

I think we sign Favs. Theres still parts of his game that drive me crazy, his inability to improve his FT% in particular.

Having said that he still adds a lot and would be easy to move if needed, as long as we get him for >$14M/yr.

Do you think he's happy with his current role on the team?

 

[Coach Ellis]

That Jingles/Favors pick and roll could become a huge weapon in the playoffs. Saw a couple in the highlights that left the Mavs defense with no good options.