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Trump and North Korea

Something like 13 Republican senators have nominated him.
Somebody also nominated Kanye West.

Nobel Peace Prize nominations mean absolutely nothing. It's not like being nominated for an Oscar. There's no requirement for a nomination, and the committee never says who was nominated - or, I believe, pays attention to it.
 
Somebody also nominated Kanye West.

Nobel Peace Prize nominations mean absolutely nothing. It's not like being nominated for an Oscar. There's no requirement for a nomination, and the committee never says who was nominated - or, I believe, pays attention to it.

It wasn’t one person nominating him. It was double digits. And those people were fellow politicians, those meant to serve us, the people. It’s a ****ing joke.
 
What exactly has trump changed? North Korea was going to shut down that site due to the mountain collapsing. If anything, their willingness to shut down testing might be the result of their confidence that their nuclear warheads are already capable enough to wreck enough destruction to dissuade the United States from ever invading.

I just don’t understand why people are acting like this hasn’t happened before. Do we really have such short memories? NK has released hostages before. NK has offered to meet with us before.

If anything, this sets NK up quite nicely. They get the propaganda and recognition they’ve wanted for decades and forces trump to concede way too much or risk coming back to the USA with his tail between his legs.

Seriously, NK has all the leverage here. The cynical side of me says that NK knows they’re dealing with a fool and will concede very little while trump will come home bragging about how awesome of he is. And it won’t matter how bad of a deal it is because Fox News and am radio will continue to provide trump with a shield of unbreakable propaganda.

No matter what trump does, his media sources and followers will worship.
 
What exactly has trump changed? North Korea was going to shut down that site due to the mountain collapsing. If anything, their willingness to shut down testing might be the result of their confidence that their nuclear warheads are already capable enough to wreck enough destruction to dissuade the United States from ever invading.

I just don’t understand why people are acting like this hasn’t happened before. Do we really have such short memories? NK has released hostages before. NK has offered to meet with us before.

If anything, this sets NK up quite nicely. They get the propaganda and recognition they’ve wanted for decades and forces trump to concede way too much or risk coming back to the USA with his tail between his legs.

Seriously, NK has all the leverage here. The cynical side of me says that NK knows they’re dealing with a fool and will concede very little while trump will come home bragging about how awesome of he is. And it won’t matter how bad of a deal it is because Fox News and am radio will continue to provide trump with a shield of unbreakable propaganda.

No matter what trump does, his media sources and followers will worship.

I'm happy anytime the world becomes more open and united. I was happy when Obama opened things up with Cuba, not because I think the Cuban government deserves a "win," but because the people of Cuba deserved a win. Same for North Korea. I don't care if Kim Jong-un claims a victory over Trump and the U.S. government. I care that the people in that country, who have not done a single thing to deserve their situation, will be better off if that country opens up.

I think Trump as a wild card has taken a few nations out of their rhythm, out of their stride and off script. It was actually the one thing I was hopeful for when he was elected and in a few instances it has happened.

The U.S. has been playing a little too tight. Other countries are reading us and maneuvering perfectly to counter us. If not today 5, 10 or 20 years from now. In a way, Trump is flipping over the table and making them decide right now what they are going to do. They weren't ready for that.

I would have preferred a more intentional way of accomplishing the same thing, but in a way, this will do.
 
What exactly has trump changed? North Korea was going to shut down that site due to the mountain collapsing. If anything, their willingness to shut down testing might be the result of their confidence that their nuclear warheads are already capable enough to wreck enough destruction to dissuade the United States from ever invading.

I just don’t understand why people are acting like this hasn’t happened before. Do we really have such short memories? NK has released hostages before. NK has offered to meet with us before.

If anything, this sets NK up quite nicely. They get the propaganda and recognition they’ve wanted for decades and forces trump to concede way too much or risk coming back to the USA with his tail between his legs.

Seriously, NK has all the leverage here. The cynical side of me says that NK knows they’re dealing with a fool and will concede very little while trump will come home bragging about how awesome of he is. And it won’t matter how bad of a deal it is because Fox News and am radio will continue to provide trump with a shield of unbreakable propaganda.

No matter what trump does, his media sources and followers will worship.

The detente with South Korea is a much bigger deal, frankly.
 
What exactly has trump changed? North Korea was going to shut down that site due to the mountain collapsing. If anything, their willingness to shut down testing might be the result of their confidence that their nuclear warheads are already capable enough to wreck enough destruction to dissuade the United States from ever invading.

I just don’t understand why people are acting like this hasn’t happened before. Do we really have such short memories? NK has released hostages before. NK has offered to meet with us before.

If anything, this sets NK up quite nicely. They get the propaganda and recognition they’ve wanted for decades and forces trump to concede way too much or risk coming back to the USA with his tail between his legs.

Seriously, NK has all the leverage here. The cynical side of me says that NK knows they’re dealing with a fool and will concede very little while trump will come home bragging about how awesome of he is. And it won’t matter how bad of a deal it is because Fox News and am radio will continue to provide trump with a shield of unbreakable propaganda.

No matter what trump does, his media sources and followers will worship.
If Obama or Clinton or any Dem had accomplished these exact same things you would be raving about how wonderful they were. It's so predictable that you think they are meaningless simply because a Republican is invloved.
 
If Obama or Clinton or any Dem had accomplished these exact same things you would be raving about how wonderful they were. It's so predictable that you think they are meaningless simply because a Republican is invloved.

Clinton's term did see a cooling down of relations with NK in 2000. It didn't mean anything then, and it doesn't now.
 
Clinton's term did see a cooling down of relations with NK in 2000. It didn't mean anything then, and it doesn't now.

This is, of course, utter nonsense. Ideological blinders and a mind fully committed to conceit. Pretty typical of the political dreamer class today.

You should not try so hard to impose reason and the whole schema of "progress" on boys in the schoolyard sandbox. The NK "dynasty" family is really not so different from Hitler, Pol Pot, or Mao, or David Rockefeller and Prince Charles, for all that matters. Totalitarians always wanna have their own way. And that is what your own delusion amounts to.

However, if you would poke around just a little, you would see something in this NK/SK/America/China/Japan/Russia interaction that does amount to a real sea-change in the political structure of Asia. The whole idea of totalitarian control is sorta coming loose, and the relevant leaders are thinking of something else.... how to make life better for everyone. Sometimes, even the most "deplorable" folks will see a reason to mend their ways.

The old Brit strategy of divide and conquer has come undone. Nobody is listening to the CFR intelligentsia morons today, the British Foreign Office is in panic.

Trump, and the other leaders relevant to the region, just really want to end "the way things are". And they are doing it. The boys in this sandbox stopped listening to "teacher" and are enjoying having a good time.

and, oh, Un's little nuclear project had an accident. I don't know if it was a real accident, or if someone on his team managed to sabotage it from inside, or if some American "Seals" got in there with some tanks of tritium, but the last blast yielded about ten times the expected power and the damage to the nearby underground tunnels (reinforced concrete and such)was serious. It all crumbled. In says they are going to close it up with a demolition explosion, but the job is really already done..... It's just too much to rebuild, and we're gonna help create a prosperity nucleus in Northeast Asia now.

And that certainly isn't anything like the Clinton years, bro.
 
I love how babe thinks Trump has some master plan that he's executing to perfection.

Trump just wants to undo everything Obama did. That's pretty much the entire point of his presidency.
 
What exactly has trump changed? North Korea was going to shut down that site due to the mountain collapsing. If anything, their willingness to shut down testing might be the result of their confidence that their nuclear warheads are already capable enough to wreck enough destruction to dissuade the United States from ever invading.

I just don’t understand why people are acting like this hasn’t happened before. Do we really have such short memories? NK has released hostages before. NK has offered to meet with us before.

If anything, this sets NK up quite nicely. They get the propaganda and recognition they’ve wanted for decades and forces trump to concede way too much or risk coming back to the USA with his tail between his legs.

Seriously, NK has all the leverage here. The cynical side of me says that NK knows they’re dealing with a fool and will concede very little while trump will come home bragging about how awesome of he is. And it won’t matter how bad of a deal it is because Fox News and am radio will continue to provide trump with a shield of unbreakable propaganda.

No matter what trump does, his media sources and followers will worship.

I imagine had this happened under the prior administration, that your reaction would be significantly different.
 
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