carolinajazz
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...of course, if there happened to be a college that banned "jailhouse tats" then I guess they would trump BYU!
BYU Player Suspended for Wearing Earrings
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I'm assuming you aren't supposed to get new ones, but there have always been players with tats at BYU.
jimmy eat jazz
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If we assume that all honor code violations are serious enough to warrant suspension. To me arguing they are is akin to arguing that all law carry equal moral weight and therefore merit the same, or at least serious, punishment if violated. Clearly some honor code rules are more weighty and serious than others.
I've never like BYU's use of the phrase 'honor code' to cover all of the rules it imposes on its students. There's nothing inherently honorable about one's dress and grooming standards/behavior. I suppose one might argue that the 'honor' is in obedience, but I don't see obedience to authority as inherently honorable either, as, for example, there would never be any social progress if this was a moral prime directive. BYU likes to primp and preen about its 'honor code' as if it's somehow morally superior to other schools, but other schools have honor codes as well, they just don't go as far as treating students like children and telling them how they should dress and groom, nor do they make it their business to dictate student's sex lives (appropriately I think). They still care about honor, just not controlling students' lives.
While I understand and sympathize with the argument that once someone agrees to certain rules of conduct, he/she is obliged to obey them; I do not believe that this is the same thing as signing away all your 'rights' to protest against such rules, particularly ones that are petty or silly, like a prohibition against wearing earrings.
Sorry Stoked, I'm not ragging on you at all. I'm just free associating a bit here and your post gave me the launchpad to do it.
Stifle Tower
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I think you'd be asked to sit down in any stadium or any arena anywhere in the country. There is a vast difference between rising up and cheering after good plays occur and remaining on your feet for several plays, which would block the vision of other spectators. Witty retort. But it does sound like you're the kind who seeks confrontation.
jimmy eat jazz
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Years ago during the Utah Golden State playoff game, two guys sitting in front of us decided that they were going to stand the entire game. It actually turned very nasty, as numerous people tried to get them to sit down, there were lots of swear words and near fisticuffs, and it was only resolved when we complained to security and they made the guys sit down. Standing is OK if there's some unwritten rule that it's OK or expected (e.g., students at Texas A&M games), or when big plays occur, but otherwise, it's just damned rude. I just wish people would understand that standing does not improve your vision--unless someone in front of you is also standing. Nor is standing evidence of superior fandom. I can love my team as much as the next guy without thinking it's necessary to stand up straight for 2+ hours to watch them play.
Joe Bagadonuts
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lol
Hantlers
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At my college, and our rival college, pretty much everybody stands up the entire time. Except for halftime, then they'll leave to get more drunk…but during the game, almost everybody stands.
So yeah, you're wrong.
I don't know a single BYU fan that fits into your "vast majority". Not saying you're wrong, but chances are better than excellent that you are.
The biggest part of "Honor" is doing what you say you'll do. Anyone who thinks that having a beard or earrings while attending BYU is somehow "dishonorable", has missed the point. The point of the Honor Code is to reinforce the real meaning of Honor. You sign the contract, you give the school your Honor that you'll abide the rules. This is no different than our military, yet you don't see anyone mocking the Marine Corps for reinforcing Honor, regardless of their rules and crazy demands.
You wouldn't be suspended for being gay, but that's not the point. The point is that you just told us all that you're gay. All of a sudden, your hasty move to the Gay Capital of the world doesn't seem so odd.
lol? You're an instigator and a tool, and you're actually proud of it. I get it, because I'm sometimes proud to be such a douche all the time, but at least own it when called out instead of trying to blame "the people sitting behind you" or "that stupid BYU school that haz all thoze dumm rulez".
That's how hottttnikkk orders desert at his favorite Mexican joint.
Wish I knew what that meant^
ROR!!!
UGLI baby
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Joe Bagadonuts
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I was only telling a joke, you putz.I don't know a single BYU fan that fits into your "vast majority". Not saying you're wrong, but chances are better than excellent that you are.
The biggest part of "Honor" is doing what you say you'll do. Anyone who thinks that having a beard or earrings while attending BYU is somehow "dishonorable", has missed the point. The point of the Honor Code is to reinforce the real meaning of Honor. You sign the contract, you give the school your Honor that you'll abide the rules. This is no different than our military, yet you don't see anyone mocking the Marine Corps for reinforcing Honor, regardless of their rules and crazy demands.
You wouldn't be suspended for being gay, but that's not the point. The point is that you just told us all that you're gay. All of a sudden, your hasty move to the Gay Capital of the world doesn't seem so odd.
lol? You're an instigator and a tool, and you're actually proud of it. I get it, because I'm sometimes proud to be such a douche all the time, but at least own it when called out instead of trying to blame "the people sitting behind you" or "that stupid BYU school that haz all thoze dumm rulez".
Um, ok? Sounded more like a cool story, bro, to me, but whatever man.