It's very clear that you stand for something you don't understand. Thank you, and good night.
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It's very clear that you stand for something you don't understand. Thank you, and good night.
Because whether it's sympathizing or enabling, it's still support. Which appears to be what you're doing.
As a nation, we can not move, nor be moving towards hate. Even if you label them Antifa, they're not generating hate(which WILL lead to violence) like Unite the Right is. Reacting to, sure, but not generating.
If you really don't want violence, you can't just wait it out. The violence will happen. You have to be open, and you have to actually discuss it. You have to weed it out from the stem. The government shouldn't need to get involved. The public should. And they are.
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Red
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BTW, the first couple of minutes of the Vice News mini-doc were shown by various networks,
with voiceovers of Trump, talking about "peaceful protestors" and "some fine people", in order to show the disconnect between what the cameras show was actually the case(and that mini-doc is being described as a defining moment in the development of the Vice News/HBO platform. Chuck Todd said "it gave me the chills") and what Trump said he saw. If anybody here can watch the first couple of minutes of that Vice mini-doc and kindly tell me who the "fine people" are, I'd be interested in knowing. Just curious....
with voiceovers of Trump, talking about "peaceful protestors" and "some fine people", in order to show the disconnect between what the cameras show was actually the case(and that mini-doc is being described as a defining moment in the development of the Vice News/HBO platform. Chuck Todd said "it gave me the chills") and what Trump said he saw. If anybody here can watch the first couple of minutes of that Vice mini-doc and kindly tell me who the "fine people" are, I'd be interested in knowing. Just curious....
His excuse rings hollow to me for this reason. If there is a march or protest that I was part of and this group showed up I'd either demand they leave or I'd leave myself. I'd flat out refuse to march with them. Then I'd make it as public as possible that I'd either kicked them out or left myself. That I detested their message and refused to even appear to be with them.
I have yet to see that anywhere.
Oh shoot. Maybe ya just don git the personality of people that are passionate bout somethin. These people, I know many good people like this that can not understand taking down tokens of there heritage. Shoot, evertime I drive through Spanish Fark I see some hick floatin a confederate flag off the bed of his pickup. I here Christians all the time sayin hows there way of life bein attacked. I here all these foreigners complainin bout ARE politics. What the hell they got to do meddling in ARE affairs? Typical liberal control freaks.
See, think is ya need to understand these people care about thinks to an maybe support from any angle is simply support. They gathering to protest they ain't tryin ta decipher who is this or that that ain't there focus it is the historical monument they care about. So your holier then thou statement is quit insulting an not understanding of basic human nature. Deep down you know there is good people that against these removals cause they feel there Heritage threatened. Maybe they are misguided but at least they is still good people with good intentions. You should show more sim paths toward them an not look down yer nose cause ya don understand em.
Tak
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It's tiring to go against something that's only happening in your head, if you really want to think that I'm supporting Nazis and KKK by saying and showing why I don't like ANTIFA go have it, be happy and believe you have done your part to "stop fascism"
You know what is really funny though? You saying "You have to be open, and you have to actually discuss it" Hard to discuss something when you are automatically labeled as something you aren't.
No civility here indeed.
♪alt13
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Imagine we are sitting around a table enjoying a holiday feast. I turn to you and say "Will you pass me the ham." You pass me the plate of ham but I say "No, the ham" as I Point to the mashed potatoes. you say "Uh, that's potatoes." I reply I eat ham and I eat that therefore that is ham." Imagine the look you would have on your face. That's the look I have on my face right now.
Many times, as is the case with ham or potatoes, the concept isn't all that complex and a simple dictionary search will be enough to educate you. In the case of fascism, as used here, a dictionary search would be enough to inform you that you have the wrong word but not really enough for you to understand the term. Our political thought is complex and often requires a little more reading, context, and historical perspective. If you are unwillingly to put in the effort to understand a term then you really shouldn't use it. This only debases language which in turns stifles thought. You can point at political things you don't like and say "That's bad.", but don't say fascist when you are pointing at a potato.
Your analogy makes 0 sense as I didn't call anything "fascist", I just said they share a certain tactic of fascist. Repressing speech is a tactic of fascist regimes.
How have your messages been anything short of sympathetic or enabling for a hate group? The "ANTIFA" you seem to be referring to is a bastardized American thing, and an extreme, extermist minority of the left. You appear to believe that they're the only people counter protesting, and stand on that platform as can be seen from the response to Stroked's post here:
When facing the likes of the Klan, and other various demonstrably hate oriented militant groups, of course people are gonna fall behind a militant shield. But they're not the leaders, they're not the heart of the message. I can't say the same for the Unite the Right movement.
♪alt13
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Dutch said "Antifa are fascist"
I said "Uh, no thems potatoes."
You said "They kinda are fascist"
That makes sense because fascists are known for suppressing hate speach.
hint:fascists are known for the opposite of that.
I have already made the relevant argument to this latest post of yours.
For fascists these are not tactics they are the goal.
♪alt13
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Tak
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I started to talk about ANTIFA because people started to talk wonders about them. Did anywhere I say they are the only ones counter protesting? No. Did anywhere I say something against the other organizations counter protesting? No. Did anywhere I say any organization, including ANTIFA, haven't the right to counter protest? No. See how you build something in your head just to find the enemy in me? How often you do the same with others?
In the other hand, you acknowledge that ANTIFA is an "extremist minority of the left", but you have no problems associating with them because "they're not the leaders, they're not the heart of the message". Isn't that the same thing that was criticized about the alt-right and their relations with extremist right wing groups? Why something that was obviously bad for a group now is a good thing for another? Or do you think there's a "good" extremism and a "bad" extremism?
Cappy_Smurf
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Sorry, wasn't referring to posts on this board, as I haven't even bothered to read much in this thread.
Mostly referring to my friends and relatives on FB. I can somewhat understand people voting for Trump because they hated Hillary, but I'll never understand these people who rush in to defend and make light of such things as bragging about committing sexual assault and sticking up for Nazis as good people. Yet, that's exactly what so many people are doing.
Some of the crap I've seen on FB is so ****ing stupid, it makes me wonder how these people dress themselves. During his campaign, Trump said something about how even if he was caught on video murdering someone, his supporters would still stand by him. At this point, it seems obvious that wasn't an exaggeration in the least.
Yeah, they also said it was an Anti-Trump, Anti-Fascist guy that murdered people. So... *shrug*
Wrong. They are hater haters that is there mission statement duh. An I am a antifa hater so I am an hater hater hater.