So, over the course of the pandemic, perhaps another 10? A 20% reduction saves 2 lives? I'm fine with that. Of course, that doesn't even count the kids who miss school or suffer long-terms effects.
Went right over his head and hit him in the belly button.
That's not a very big leap.
I've seen no evidence that any lives would be saved. For example, one of the recent youth COVID deaths in Illinois was a girl who had leukemia. There was a significant comorbidity in every case I know of involving a child.
chicago.suntimes.com
The youth who died a couple days ago here in Utah had no pre-existing conditions. That said, empirical data is clear that it's an exception that a child dies of Covid, not the norm.I've seen no evidence that any lives would be saved. For example, one of the recent youth COVID deaths in Illinois was a girl who had leukemia. There was a significant comorbidity in every case I know of involving a child.
7-year-old girl battling leukemia among reported COVID-19 deaths
Evelyn Cervantes was from west suburban Stone Park.
I have seen the damage done by the over-protective mandates. Do you have any school aged kids impacted by this pandemic?
Of course not. That would not allow you to hold the position you have taken. Even though you've acknowledged the 20% reduction, it has to mean nothing when you talk about saved lives.
So, you're saying since we're all going to die anyway, it doesn't matter if we die a little earlier? Or, do you reserve that opinion just to children with cancer? Because if that's not your point, why are comorbidities relevant?
Do go on. Describe the damage done by over-protective mask mandates.
Yes, my youngest in still in a high school program. I have two kids sit though a year of remote learning, not to mention my own classes.
Yes there was. She was between the ages of 15 and 17. She was eligible to get vaccinated and did not do so. Maybe if so many people weren't telling her and her parents that masks work to prevent infection she would have been vaccinated and alive today. The ONLY way to control this pandemic is through vaccination. Everything else is false hope and counter productive. Masks are false hope and counter productive. They make people feels safe when they are not.
I've acknowledged a 21% reduction in infection against the original COVID, not against death and not against the current strain.
I'm saying a mask mandate isn't going to save a little girl from leukemia. The power you seem to attribute to cloth masks is not warranted and overinflating how protective masks truly are may lead some to think there is no urgent need to get vaccinated if they always use their mask and practice social distancing.
I was referring to pre-existing conditions as lodged medical issues in which she receives treatment, but I get what you're saying in terms of not being vaccinated as an input.
Don't get me wrong. I like it.
Actually, you acknowledged 37% against the original strain and claim the new strain would drop it to 21%. Having trouble keeping your own claims straight?
No, it just possibly prevents her from getting covid19 while she's trying to fight leukemia.
If someone thinks a 37/21% reduction justifies not getting a vaccine, they're just looking for a reason to not get the vaccine, and will always be able to come up with one.
I have no problems keeping my claims straight. I acknowledged a 21% reduction in infection against the original COVID for students. We were talking about students so I used the student's rate, and that rate was against the original SARS-CoV-2. The 37% figure was for teachers against the original COVID. Neither the 21% student rate of protection or the 37% rate for teachers are valid for Delta variant due to Delta variant's R0 number being double the original's R0.
Chicago has a mask mandate in their schools. She died. We obviously don't agree but I believe that sentiment to be selling false hope.
I disagree. I think people can change their minds. Sadly it sometimes takes the death of someone close to them for their eyes to open, but people can be reached. What I don't think helps is saying "[masks] possibly prevents her from getting covid19". I believe the only way through this is getting the vaccine or getting sick and the latter path is risky.
Classy...
That's better
Ya that is ridiculous.
Even that’s not enough to turn them in many well documented cases. I wonder if these people really care about their friends and family. Willing to take it to their graves.
