Flat Earth movement - explain please...
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MVP
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You are what you eat...
I've been thinking, also, about doing a thread here in JFC general discussion, to offer intervention and deprogramming services for the totally invested dupes of socialism, globalism, progressivism, Marxism, and Mormonism, including all the Deep State operatives who have been so totally programmed to serve their manipulators for the benefit of the very few topmost beneficiaries of having a government that serves their very special private interests.
BLM, the statist land control operatives, for example, will immediately roll over to give Vegas land to developers or Chinese solar corporations, whatever land they want, even if it means removing natives, be they indigenous or immigrant, from their legal use of that land, and will damn the tortoise interests to boot.
What a hypocrite it takes to invoke the privileges of the government class over the common folks. Government has no actual authority except what people are willing to put up with.
I eat pretty good food, lots of natural stuff, not far removed from the diet that has sustained our branch of the evolutionary tree for millions of years. Real human nutrition, easily digestible, and so of course I am still human. Not a bad life, really.
Jesus, however, stated a supplemental truth about how we humans are appropriately the consequence of our actions, choices, thoughts, and intents. It could be reduced to simply:
You are what you are.
But Jesus also taught that we could choose to be better, and I strongly support that notion in regards to our politics and community life.
nice video.
I wonder how desperate the advocates of science/education/progressive ideals must be to think it's worth running with a narrative that conservatives must be flat-earthers fearful of sailing outta sight of land or believing superstitions or ignorant rumors in order to hold their reticence against letting David Rockefeller, Prince Charles, and oh maybe five other special people re-write History let alone the Future.
I don't really expect beduoin clans sitting on a sand dune looking up at the stars to invent a scientifically unassailable cosmology, but the Bible is actually pretty good if you're willing to consider it a redacted allegory.
Pretty sure whatever God ever said to any man ten thousand years ago, or ten seconds ago, failed on the level of comprehension on reception, so I wouldn't blame "God" for what the Bible says. As for the "redacted" reality of all pious literature, there is an endless supply of do-gooder helpers perfectly willing to change it to make it look more acceptable somehow. One of the Great Redactors of the Bible was King Solomon, who troubled himself to employ a hundred horsemen with chariots hauling battering rams to go all over Israel smashing up all the priestly altars, to force everyone to come to Jerusalem and reverence the Solomon's State Religion. He also hired priests to compile the sacred texts.
As I see it, the entire Progressive movement of the past hundred years has been an even greater campaign to stultify the human mind and force conformity of belief to the maxims of a little feuding band of Bedouin billionaires who have no roots either to any place or any consistent ideal.
Inventing the Humanist God is equivalent to Installing Fascism globally.
I wonder how desperate the advocates of science/education/progressive ideals must be to think it's worth running with a narrative that conservatives must be flat-earthers fearful of sailing outta sight of land or believing superstitions or ignorant rumors in order to hold their reticence against letting David Rockefeller, Prince Charles, and oh maybe five other special people re-write History let alone the Future.
I don't really expect beduoin clans sitting on a sand dune looking up at the stars to invent a scientifically unassailable cosmology, but the Bible is actually pretty good if you're willing to consider it a redacted allegory.
Pretty sure whatever God ever said to any man ten thousand years ago, or ten seconds ago, failed on the level of comprehension on reception, so I wouldn't blame "God" for what the Bible says. As for the "redacted" reality of all pious literature, there is an endless supply of do-gooder helpers perfectly willing to change it to make it look more acceptable somehow. One of the Great Redactors of the Bible was King Solomon, who troubled himself to employ a hundred horsemen with chariots hauling battering rams to go all over Israel smashing up all the priestly altars, to force everyone to come to Jerusalem and reverence the Solomon's State Religion. He also hired priests to compile the sacred texts.
As I see it, the entire Progressive movement of the past hundred years has been an even greater campaign to stultify the human mind and force conformity of belief to the maxims of a little feuding band of Bedouin billionaires who have no roots either to any place or any consistent ideal.
Inventing the Humanist God is equivalent to Installing Fascism globally.
TheStormofWar
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1988: By 2018, we're going to have flying cards, robots serving the will of a family, global peace and no more world hunger! We can make the world a better place!
2018: Please don't eat laundry soap.
I don't have a problem believing what they want to believe, but we've gotten collectively dumber as a society.
2018: Please don't eat laundry soap.
I don't have a problem believing what they want to believe, but we've gotten collectively dumber as a society.
Great progress has been made eradicating world hunger. The other stuff is movie tropes. I don't know if Back to the Future not turning out to be an accurate depiction of the future means we're getting dumber.
The whole Tide pods thing is another good example of something that’s not really happening, but used to generate stereotypes. In this case it’s millennials, of which I’m not particularly fond of the general belief system, but in an effort to make them look stupid, this whole Tide pod thing has blown up. Do you know anyone who’s done it? No, of course not.
MVP
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pretty sure that never happened.
carolinajazz
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Interestingly, the Bible indicated the Earth was round and not flat thousands of years ago, before the invention of telescopes!
Regarding the shape of the earth, The Encyclopedia Americana says: “The earliest known image that men had of the earth was that it was a flat, rigid platform at the center of the universe. . . . The concept of a spherical earth was not widely accepted until the Renaissance.” Some early navigators even feared sailing off the edge of the flat earth! But, then, the introduction of the compass and other improvements made possible longer ocean voyages. These “voyages of discovery,” another encyclopedia explains, “showed that the world was round, not flat as most people had believed.” Yet long before such voyages, in fact, about 2,700 years ago, the Bible said: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers.” (Isaiah 40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, translated “circle,” can also mean “sphere,” as such reference works as Davidson’s Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon show. Other translations, therefore, say “the globe of the earth” (Douay Version), and “the round earth.” (Moffatt) Thus the Bible was not influenced by the erroneous, flat-earth view prevalent when it was written. It was accurate.
Regarding the shape of the earth, The Encyclopedia Americana says: “The earliest known image that men had of the earth was that it was a flat, rigid platform at the center of the universe. . . . The concept of a spherical earth was not widely accepted until the Renaissance.” Some early navigators even feared sailing off the edge of the flat earth! But, then, the introduction of the compass and other improvements made possible longer ocean voyages. These “voyages of discovery,” another encyclopedia explains, “showed that the world was round, not flat as most people had believed.” Yet long before such voyages, in fact, about 2,700 years ago, the Bible said: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers.” (Isaiah 40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, translated “circle,” can also mean “sphere,” as such reference works as Davidson’s Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon show. Other translations, therefore, say “the globe of the earth” (Douay Version), and “the round earth.” (Moffatt) Thus the Bible was not influenced by the erroneous, flat-earth view prevalent when it was written. It was accurate.
MVP
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Not really. Bible is incorrect about numerous scientific facts and globe shape Earth is just one of them.
The Bible supports the primitive notion of a flat earth. In the sixth century, a Christian monk named Cosmas wrote a book, titled Topographia Christiana, describing the structure of the physical world. Basing his views on the Bible, Cosmas said the earth is flat and surrounded by four seas.
The prophecy at Revelation 1:7 was a basis for his conclusion. It states that when Christ returns, “every eye shall see him.” Cosmas reasoned that if the earth were round, people on the other side would not see Christ’s second coming.
Further support for the idea of a flat earth is contained in the verses mentioning the “four corners of the earth” (e.g., Isaiah 11:12; Revelation 7:1) and the “ends of the earth” (e.g., Jeremiah 16:19; Acts 13:47).
Because of such Bible teachings, most of the early church fathers thought the earth is flat. In fact, the view of the world contained in Cosmas’ book was accepted for several centuries as orthodox Christian doctrine. Even in the fifteenth century, when Christopher Columbus proposed to sail west from Spain to reach the East Indies, the biblical notion of a flat earth was a major source of opposition to him.
As for the question of what holds the flat earth in place, the Bible indicates the answer is “pillars.” The pillars of the earth are mentioned in several verses in the Old Testament (I Samuel 2:8; Psalm 75:3; Job 9:6). These verses reflect the belief of the ancient Hebrews that the earth rests upon pillars.
Plus Bible as well is wrong in stating that Earth is not moving.
An erroneous Bible teaching caused Christian theologians to oppose Galileo’s proof that the earth rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun. In the sixteenth century, Copernicus proposed this theory about the double motion of the earth. In the following century, Galileo’s telescope proved that Copernicus had been right.
To oppose the Copernican doctrine and show that the earth remains stationary while the sun moves around it, the Catholic Church pointed to the tenth chapter of the book of Joshua. There we are told that Joshua, in order to have a longer period of daylight in which to carry out the Lord’s command to slaughter the Amorites, ordered the sun to stand still – not the earth.
Other passages demonstrating that the earth remains stationary include Psalm 93:1 (“The world is established, that it cannot be moved.”); I Chronicles 16:30 (“The world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.”); and Psalm 104:5 (The Lord “laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed forever.”).
Because of Galileo’s support for the Copernican doctrine, the Inquisition threatened him with torture, forced him to recant, and subjected him to imprisonment. Additionally, for nearly 200 years the Catholic Church’s Index of Forbidden Books condemned all writings that affirmed the double motion of the earth.
I mean, the Bible is a book with a story about a guy who collected 2 of every animal in the world, put em on a boat, survived a few months of worldwide flooding, then deposited them back where he found them.
It's hilarious when people engage in serious discussion about scientific inaccuracies in the Bible.
It's hilarious when people engage in serious discussion about scientific inaccuracies in the Bible.
MVP
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I never read it, but I bet it is probably more believable. At least they got that Erumpant beast ( Elasmotherium rhino) almost correct.