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Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Dr. Jones, Aug 18, 2015.
Worst defender in the draft besides Trae.
LMAO i'm tempted to make the 2025 draftees thread. Joel Embiid, Steph Curry and Nate Robinson talking on IG bout 2006-born Oliver Rioux. Who's 12 and 7' and cordinated and for some reason is playing vs kids his age on 8' hoops. He's Canadian.
Best highlights ever btw. **** had me rolling.
Beat me to it. He’s an awful, awful defender.
And KBD does not give me an Otto Porter vibe.
Yeah, I dont think he has the IQ/Feel of Porter. Not as good of an athlete either.
reminds of Tyler Harvey a bit....
Lots of chatter about the Knicks and Trae Young. They were kicking themselves a few years back when they didn't try to trade up to get Steph Curry.
If they come calling to trade up for Trae, I would trade Udoh and #21 for Nkilitina and #36. NY could use #21 to trade up for Trae.
Seems like Mitchell would go crazy over this deal since he and Frank are so close. Rubio is 7 years older than Nkilitina so we could develop him correctly to be our PG of the future when Rubio winds down. When we re-sign Exum, we do it as a wing since he never really took to PG anyway. O'Neale concentrates being Ingles' counterpart at SF.
PG Rubio, Nkilitina
SG Mitchell, Exum
SF Ingles, O'Neale
PF Crowder, maybe bring back Favors or get Bjelika, Thabo, Jonas
C Gobert, Bradley
#36 and #52. Or we package #36 and #52 to trade up higher in the 2nd round to get somebody we really like (Frazier maybe?).
That’s probably why Porter went 2nd overall and KBD is a late 1st/early 2nd type. I’m not super high on him, but I could get on board with him as the pick. I just don’t see a lot of upside.
After listening to Locke's podcast on shooting numbers, I have soured on Troy Brown.
Chandler Hutchison or Melvin Frazier anyone?
Chandler is weak of the bounce shooter, but great elsewhere. And he is good in the PnR. Melvin Frazier, someone said he can't bench press but I saw a video where he says he bench pressed 185 lbs 13 times. So what is it?
They arent viewing Frank as a PG. They like him off-ball. They arent going to trade him just because they draft another PG.
The NBA Combine database on NBA.com said 0. If it really is 13, then that is promising that he has wiry strength w/ his thin frame.
I’m actually a huge fan of Melvin Frazier. He’s insanely athletic, has great length and is a ferocious defender. He likes to mix it up. His shot isn’t great, but his mechanics and release look fine and he has the work ethic to improve it. He reminds me of Mitchell in that he’s a guy that has been overlooked, but has fantastic tools to work with and has improved (sometimes dramatically) every year. He’s really skinny. Needs some bulk, but seems to have a great frame for it.
Really raw offensively. Not sure how much he can create his own shot. I think he’s a catch and shoot, 3&D wing - but I could also see him being a guy that the coaching staff can turn into something more.
I hate comps - because I feel like too often people want to compare these guys to the best players in the world and they can’t measure up. He’s not Kawhi. I’d say he reminds me of an athletic Danny Green with upside. I’d LOVE to have him in Utah.
Jerome Robinson is a way better prospect.
Uh Nkilitina is way more valuable in a trade up scenario than #21.
There is zero reason that we’d be involved in any way with them trading up for Trae.
Robinson is a surgeon on offense when he's got it clicking. He's 6'5 but has this nice in and out (Cp3 dribble) and stepBack combo. He's very good at getting narrow and his shots off in tight spaces. He's particularly adept from midrange too. Nice touch and he can get rolling. Hervey was a mere sppecialist in comparison.
He's more athletic and slightly bigger which helps him finish better in traffic and at the rim, but their perimeter game is similar(Harvey had some sick stepbacks too). And their defensive deficiencies especially are eerily similar.
And we are certain of this why?
The Knicks drafted Nkilitina then added Burke and traded for Mudiay while still have Jarrett Jack who they played more than Nkilitina for much of the season. They still have the rights to Burke and will probably keep him next year because he's so cheap. They also have Courtney Lee who is a small guard along with Tim Hardaway Jr. who plays some SG.
If they trade up for Trae Young, it's to be their PG. I personally think the Knicks would trade Nkilitina especially if he could be used to get their prized goal of Trae Young. Could they get more for FN than #21? I'm not sure. Would this be in our best interest? I think so. I like Nkilitina and his relationship and fit long term with Donovan more than anybody I'm seeing at #21.
There are a ton of IF's here, but I haven't seen anything that says Nkilitina is off limits.
Dude, FN is soooo much more valuable than #21. He’s a proven solid player in the NBA. You don’t get that at 21. It’s not even close.
He was drafted #8 last year and is considered a pretty good pick. Could we get pick #10 for 21 this year?
LoPo gonna LoPo
Like I said, I don't know and you are speculating too. Many say this draft is stronger last year's. It's very obvious that the Knicks do not think Frank is their PG of the future. I like the kid, but he played 22mpg, scored 5.9ppg on 36% shooting.
So overall, Nkilitina was drafted too high in a weaker draft and didn't play all that well last year. If you re-drafted 2017, he wouldn't be a lottery pick. He might not be top 20. The Knicks are going to do whatever it takes to get Trae Young. They don't really have many assets to get the other pick necessary to move up a few spots.
I could definitely see the Knicks trading us Nkilitina so they could trade #9 and #21 to Chicago for #7. Chicago likes a few players at #7 who will be there at #9 (Wendell Carter, Bridges, Bridges, etc.).