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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

I decided to make my first draft big board for the Jazz this year. Here it goes as of now.

1 Cooper Flagg
2 Dylan Harper
3 Tre Johnson
4 Ace Bailey
5 V.J. Edgecombe
6 Kon Knueppel
7 Jeremiah Fears
8 Khaman Maluach
9 Asa Newell
10 Collin Murray-Boyles
11 Kasparas Jakucionis
12 Nolan Traore
13 Jase Richardson
14 Noa Essengue
15 Egor Demin
16 Carter Bryant
17 Rasheer Fleming
18 Derik Queen
19 Thomas Sorber
20 Hansen Yang
21 Nique Clifford
22 Cedric Coward
23 Danny Wolf
24 Ryan Kalkbrenner
25 Maxime Raynaud
26 Drake Powell
27 Adou Thiero
28 Walter Clayton Jr.
29 Johni Broome
30 Will Riley
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Kon may not end up being one of these steals in plain sight... he does however have like all the analytical model indicators that cause you to think. He isn't Haliburton at all but its a similar argument against why he slid.

Ace is terrifying but I think he ends up 3rd on my board. I have decided I will do one Big Board of Integrity once I have all the info I want.
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I'm slightly surprised he rates as highly as he does. Not a great Rebounds/Stocks guy. But I guess I'm learning that I have a real blind spot for AST/TOV in these models.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Relative to expectations, I think the 76ers had the worst season in NBA history. They were expected to be around the 5th best team in NBA and they were the 5th worst and their MVP level franchise player had a career altering injury and their new max contract guy looked toast.
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Fair.
 
Tyrese Proctor is a guy I've always liked (since his Freshman year). My problem with him is that I've always liked him better on film than on paper. With so few guys that I like in this draft I think he's someone I can start making excuses for.

- His shot definitely looked way better this year. You can tell he has spent time working on it. I thought his improved % was most likely due to easier looks playing on a stacked team, and that probably played in to it, but he was still taking off the dribble/step back shots and maintained a 40.5% 3pt fg%. For some reason his ft% dropped this year which causes his shooting projections to not be amazing, but he did shoot 87% ft% his Freshman year.
- His main negative is as a point guard who only averaged 2.7ast/36min, but that was obviously scheme and situation this year. He was playing with a lot of other ball handlers and had to share responsibilities. Last year he averaged 4.4 assists and he had a 2.85ast/to ratio which I think is a better indication of what he can do. He is visibly a good ball handler, and not an amazing or creative passer, but gets the job done.
- The other thing I personally look for is stocks and rebounds where he is disappointing. I've heard him being discussed as a good defender, but is only averaging about 2stocks/36min. I think the film on him is solid. He's an above average man defender and can generally stay in front of his guy and is a good screen navigator. He works on that end and is engaged. He's just not a difference making defender and isn't doing a lot off ball.
 
I think KOC likes to be edgy for the sake of being edgy, but it’s better when we have a variety of opinions/mocks and not just a DX copy plus/minus a few spots.
 
Apparently Drake Powell was an 80% FT shooter in high school? Makes his case for 21 stronger and we know DA relies on the HS stuff a lot.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Here are some things that stand out to me the most from Givony’s big board update:

Ace Bailey is the currently leader to go #3 to Philadelphia. If they pass he likely goes to Charlotte or Utah.

VJ Edgecombe sounds like a lock for #4 to Charlotte. If they pass on him then he won’t get past Utah at #5.

Tre Johnson comes in at 5th overall. He is expected to go within the top-8 picks.

Khaman Maluach is showing some shooting touch in workouts and is up to 6th overall. He is the only true big man they project in the top-10 currently.

Jeremiah Fears comes in at 7th overall. His range starts at #5 to Utah. Brooklyn is noted at as a really strong fit at #8.

Kon Knueppel comes in at 8th overall. His range starts as high as #3 to Philadelphia with him receiving looks in the top-5 including Charlotte and Utah.

Noa Essengue is one of the biggest risers on this update. He is up to 9th overall.

Derik Queen’s range starts at #8 but could slip out of the lottery. He is down 13th overall.

Collin Murray-Boyles is an analytic draft model darling but teams are worried about his size and shooting ability. He is down to 14th overall.
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Noa Essengue's measurements of 6'9" without shoes, 194 lbs, with a 9'3.25" standing reach are from a Basketball Without Borders camp that took place more than a year ago when Noa was barely 17 years-old. Don't be surprised if his current measurements are bigger than that. He's been absent during the pre-draft process, but if teams are able to get him in for a workout I'd expect him to rise into the top 7 picks, likely pushing past Maluach and possibly Knueppel and Fears.

In terms of height, weight and standing reach, Noa's BWB measurements are comparable to Anthony Davis as an 18 y.o. headed to Kentucky. He can also play on the perimeter if you're willing to overlook a few rough edges.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Noa Essengue's measurements of 6'9" without shoes, 194 lbs, with a 9'3.25" standing reach are from a Basketball Without Borders camp that took place more than a year ago when Noa was barely 17 years-old. Don't be surprised if his current measurements are bigger than that. He's been absent during the pre-draft process, but if teams are able to get him in for a workout I'd expect him to rise into the top 7 picks, likely pushing past Maluach and possibly Knueppel and Fears.
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Can Noa play on the wing?

I'm thinking of a lineup like Noa/Hendricks/Kessler. Could be the foundation of a great defense.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Noa Essengue's measurements of 6'9" without shoes, 194 lbs, with a 9'3.25" standing reach are from a Basketball Without Borders camp that took place more than a year ago when Noa was barely 17 years-old. Don't be surprised if his current measurements are bigger than that. He's been absent during the pre-draft process, but if teams are able to get him in for a workout I'd expect him to rise into the top 7 picks, likely pushing past Maluach and possibly Knueppel and Fears.
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You are on a 12 month probationary period with pumping up skinny wings. Do not violate your probation.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm slightly surprised he rates as highly as he does. Not a great Rebounds/Stocks guy. But I guess I'm learning that I have a real blind spot for AST/TOV in these models.
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He seems like a real high bball IQ/feel guy to me. I'm not surprised by his high AST/TOV.

I kind of feel like high bball IQ/feel is one of the most underrated things in the draft. In fact... if you look at the top players in the league I think this is the one thing that is massively overrepresented in that pool.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Tyrese Proctor is a guy I've always liked (since his Freshman year). My problem with him is that I've always liked him better on film than on paper. With so few guys that I like in this draft I think he's someone I can start making excuses for.

- His shot definitely looked way better this year. You can tell he has spent time working on it. I thought his improved % was most likely due to easier looks playing on a stacked team, and that probably played in to it, but he was still taking off the dribble/step back shots and maintained a 40.5% 3pt fg%. For some reason his ft% dropped this year which causes his shooting projections to not be amazing, but he did shoot 87% ft% his Freshman year.
- His main negative is as a point guard who only averaged 2.7ast/36min, but that was obviously scheme and situation this year. He was playing with a lot of other ball handlers and had to share responsibilities. Last year he averaged 4.4 assists and he had a 2.85ast/to ratio which I think is a better indication of what he can do. He is visibly a good ball handler, and not an amazing or creative passer, but gets the job done.
- The other thing I personally look for is stocks and rebounds where he is disappointing. I've heard him being discussed as a good defender, but is only averaging about 2stocks/36min. I think the film on him is solid. He's an above average man defender and can generally stay in front of his guy and is a good screen navigator. He works on that end and is engaged. He's just not a difference making defender and isn't doing a lot off ball.
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He's fine as a backup guard with some size and IQ. He'd be a reasonable pick in the 2nd round.
 
stitches said:
He seems like a real high bball IQ/feel guy to me. I'm not surprised by his high AST/TOV.

I kind of feel like high bball IQ/feel is one of the most underrated things in the draft. In fact... if you look at the top players in the league I think this is the one thing that is massively overrepresented in that pool.
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BBIQ definitely is....I'm just a little dubious on the AST/TOV -> IQ translation. Think AST *1.5 / TOV would give a better reflection of IQ, but if AST/TOV translates well I can't quibble too much.
 
I feel pretty good that 2-3 guys I really like will be there at 21. I don't know that I am giving up a lot to move up.
 
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