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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

ESPN new draft article Jazz notes

-idk, could draft Ace at 5
-idk, could draft VJ at 5
-idk, could draft Kon at 5
-idk, could draft Fears at 5

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Incredible narrowing down of the set of options. Next, you'll tell me they might pick Tre Johnson as well.
 
I will say... This is a really tough draft to break down mock draft wise

-76ers are coming off one of the five worst seasons in NBA history and have no needs... Other than Embiid and PG13 being healthy. Every player is a bad fit with them.
-Hornets' new GM has made two total moves, a terrible draft pick and attempting (and failing) to scam another team at the trade deadline.
-Jazz are coming off a catastrophic last three years but need basically everything.
-Wizards are 33-131 (!!) in last two years and have marginal prospects at every position.
-New Orleans is trapped in Zion hell and have a new GM.

And the guys in the 3-7 range are all so kind of ehh and not franchise changing.
 
Here are some things that stand out to me the most from Givony’s big board update:

Ace Bailey is the currently leader to go #3 to Philadelphia. If they pass he likely goes to Charlotte or Utah.

VJ Edgecombe sounds like a lock for #4 to Charlotte. If they pass on him then he won’t get past Utah at #5.

Tre Johnson comes in at 5th overall. He is expected to go within the top-8 picks.

Khaman Maluach is showing some shooting touch in workouts and is up to 6th overall. He is the only true big man they project in the top-10 currently.

Jeremiah Fears comes in at 7th overall. His range starts at #5 to Utah. Brooklyn is noted at as a really strong fit at #8.

Kon Knueppel comes in at 8th overall. His range starts as high as #3 to Philadelphia with him receiving looks in the top-5 including Charlotte and Utah.

Noa Essengue is one of the biggest risers on this update. He is up to 9th overall.

Derik Queen’s range starts at #8 but could slip out of the lottery. He is down 13th overall.

Collin Murray-Boyles is an analytic draft model darling but teams are worried about his size and shooting ability. He is down to 14th overall.
 
The language in that article seems to suggest that we’d take Ace or VJ if they fall, but 5 is still very much an open ended question. Still very early, but it looks like those two are the leaders.
 
Not going to lie I’ve been told how stupid I was for not considering Queen and CMB in my top-5 and seeing Givony drop them to 13/14 gives me some joy.

Yes, Givony is not the end all be all at all and these guys could end up returning top-5 value but it still brings me joy.
 
The Maluach shooting hype is so ****ing stupid and makes me wonder how much NBA these guys even watch.

The literal only thing Maluach is currently good at is finishing inside with powerful dunks. He shoots like 80% there on high volume.

If he could also dribble, then him being able to shoot would be very helpful as then he could create offense like Embiid with his shooting.

But Maluach can't dribble... At all.

So his shooting is completely worthless outside of making him more efficient at free throws (which is nice, but not game changing above like 70% to 75%).

None of this works in sync at all. If you gave Gobert a three point shot, he's probably barely playing any different.

This is like marginally less stupid than Givony hyping up Clingan's nonexistent shooting last year, but still shows that Givony just doesn't understand NBA strategy at all.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I will say... This is a really tough draft to break down mock draft wise

-76ers are coming off one of the five worst seasons in NBA history and have no needs... Other than Embiid and PG13 being healthy. Every player is a bad fit with them.
-Hornets' new GM has made two total moves, a terrible draft pick and attempting (and failing) to scam another team at the trade deadline.
-Jazz are coming off a catastrophic last three years but need basically everything.
-Wizards are 33-131 (!!) in last two years and have marginal prospects at every position.
-New Orleans is trapped in Zion hell and have a new GM.

And the guys in the 3-7 range are all so kind of ehh and not franchise changing.
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Did you mean Philly is coming off one the 5 worst seasons in FRANCHISE history rather than NBA history?
 
Elizah Huge said:
Here are some things that stand out to me the most from Givony’s big board update:

Ace Bailey is the currently leader to go #3 to Philadelphia. If they pass he likely goes to Charlotte or Utah.

VJ Edgecombe sounds like a lock for #4 to Charlotte. If they pass on him then he won’t get past Utah at #5.

Tre Johnson comes in at 5th overall. He is expected to go within the top-8 picks.

Khaman Maluach is showing some shooting touch in workouts and is up to 6th overall. He is the only true big man they project in the top-10 currently.

Jeremiah Fears comes in at 7th overall. His range starts at #5 to Utah. Brooklyn is noted at as a really strong fit at #8.

Kon Knueppel comes in at 8th overall. His range starts as high as #3 to Philadelphia with him receiving looks in the top-5 including Charlotte and Utah.

Noa Essengue is one of the biggest risers on this update. He is up to 9th overall.

Derik Queen’s range starts at #8 but could slip out of the lottery. He is down 13th overall.

Collin Murray-Boyles is an analytic draft model darling but teams are worried about his size and shooting ability. He is down to 14th overall.
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How big is CMB?
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
The Maluach shooting hype is so ****ing stupid and makes me wonder how much NBA these guys even watch.

The literal only thing Maluach is currently good at is finishing inside with powerful dunks. He shoots like 80% there on high volume.

If he could also dribble, then him being able to shoot would be very helpful as then he could create offense like Embiid with his shooting.

But Maluach can't dribble... At all.

So his shooting is completely worthless outside of making him more efficient at free throws (which is nice, but not game changing above like 70% to 75%).

None of this works in sync at all. If you gave Gobert a three point shot, he's probably barely playing any different.

This is like marginally less stupid than Givony hyping up Clingan's nonexistent shooting last year, but still shows that Givony just doesn't understand NBA strategy at all.
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Bruh I saw him make 14 threes in a row or something... in a completely unedited video... it took him 45 minutes to shoot that many threes because his shot so slow but dude is a flame thrower.
 
KqWIN said:
The idea of removing a great rim finisher/offensive rebounder and trading it for a below average spot up shooter is just comical to me. That 35% on 1.5 3FGA is so valuable!
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But what if the shot takes 30 minutes to load. Does that change your thinking?
 
fishonjazz said:
Did you mean Philly is coming off one the 5 worst seasons in FRANCHISE history rather than NBA history?
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Relative to expectations, I think the 76ers had the worst season in NBA history. They were expected to be around the 5th best team in NBA and they were the 5th worst and their MVP level franchise player had a career altering injury and their new max contract guy looked toast.
 
KqWIN said:
3 powerful statistical indicators mentioned by JE who claims that he had Haliburton #1 and that the Mavs tried everything they could to trade for him.

1. Steals
2. AST/TOv
3. 2FG%

How the top guys score out with tankathon pros and cons:

Ace: -2
VJ: +4
Tre: -2
Fears: -1
Kon: +4
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Kon may not end up being one of these steals in plain sight... he does however have like all the analytical model indicators that cause you to think. He isn't Haliburton at all but its a similar argument against why he slid.

Ace is terrifying but I think he ends up 3rd on my board. I have decided I will do one Big Board of Integrity once I have all the info I want.
 
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