Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's fair. Notice how I'm biting my tongue and refraining from saying that Tre Johnson has a high-end outcome that could be similar to SGA.

I have heard that one and I was like.... okay?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Can Noa play on the wing?

I'm thinking of a lineup like Noa/Hendricks/Kessler. Could be the foundation of a great defense.

IMO, his best outcome is a 6'10", 225-lb PF who plays on the perimeter, but does some high-post stuff, drives and finishes inside similar to Anthony Davis.

BTW, I think it was a mistake for Anthony Davis to bulk up from 220 lbs. (when he came in the league) to over 250 lbs. I think it's one of the reasons he's constantly getting injured with back strains, calf strains, groin strains and the like. He doesn't need to play that heavy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

IMO, his best outcome is a 6'10", 225-lb PF who plays on the perimeter, but does some high-post stuff and finishes inside similar to Anthony Davis.

Probation violation! We just talked about this!

 

[fishonjazz]

You are on a 12 month probationary period with pumping up skinny wings. Do not violate your probation.

ROFLMAO

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I have heard that one and I was like.... okay?

Tre needs the side-steps, step-backs, and needs to figure out how to finish at the rim, but he's got the tools and is a better deep shooter coming into the league.

 

[fishonjazz]

He seems like a real high bball IQ/feel guy to me. I'm not surprised by his high AST/TOV.

I kind of feel like high bball IQ/feel is one of the most underrated things in the draft. In fact... if you look at the top players in the league I think this is the one thing that is massively overrepresented in that pool.

I definitely underrate it.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Probation violation! We just talked about this!

Yeah, I think this one could work though.

 

[fishonjazz]

I feel pretty good that 2-3 guys I really like will be there at 21. I don't know that I am giving up a lot to move up.

Is Fleming one of them?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tre needs the side-steps, step-backs, and needs to figure out how to finish at the rim, but he's got the tools and is a better deep shooter coming into the league.

They are such different players lol. I just cannot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Is Fleming one of them?

Fo sho.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I feel pretty good that 2-3 guys I really like will be there at 21. I don't know that I am giving up a lot to move up.

Jazz could package their 2RPs and move up from 21 to maybe 17 or so if someone they really like drops. I'd actually be surprised if the Jazz bring 3 or 4 rookies in next year.

 

[fishonjazz]

Fo sho.

We can be friends again

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

They are such different players lol. I just cannot.

They don't need to be identical. We haven't seen Tre as an isolation scorer in the NBA, so yeah, maybe it's a fantasy. I just remember what SGA looked like at UK.

 

[KqWIN]

Shai - Tre is an elite @Ferguson_Mellochill comparison. Not even in June yet and we’re in peak form.

 

[stitches]

BBIQ definitely is....I'm just a little dubious on the AST/TOV -> IQ translation. Think AST *1.5 / TOV would give a better reflection of IQ, but if AST/TOV translates well I can't quibble too much.

Yah, like with everything, it's not a perfect one to one translation and you have to actually watch them play to see if there is any other reason for that stat(for example, some high volume scorers have super low TOs because when in doubt they just shoot...(i.e. eliminate the chance for TO) and only pass when the pass is obvious/easy... which results in much higher ast/to ratio than you would assume... but yah... I feel like it's an OK stat to look at as an indicator for what to watch for in their film.

 

[KqWIN]

I also think that high IQ is becoming more and more important each year. Really have to be a smart player on both ends and play 5v5 on both ends.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Shai - Tre is an elite @Ferguson_Mellochill comparison. Not even in June yet and we’re in peak form.

Leif Thulin is also pumping that one.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I also think that high IQ is becoming more and more important each year. Really have to be a smart player on both ends and play 5v5 on both ends.

I think one of the best ways to see IQ is on the defensive end. It's one reason I really look for defense as an indicator for draft picks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They don't need to be identical. We haven't seen Tre as an isolation scorer in the NBA, so yeah, maybe it's a fantasy. I just remember what SGA looked like at UK.

Kon is actually SGA under this premise.

I am fine with guys having high ceilings but its a really random comp. The Venn diagram is like nothing. Things are random happen I guess.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Leif Thulin is also pumping that one.

Remember, I just said I'm refraining from pushing that high-end outcome in an unprecedented act of self control.