Something definitely went down in the locker room. Not buying this “slow to pick up the system” leak but maybe @andylarsen can clarify.
He’s sickDNP today coaches decision and now he's on the trade block...
It actually makes sense. His BPM is not in line with his stats, but if he causes breakdowns on both ends by not being where he is supposed to be that explains the BPM and why it has been hard to catch in eyeball test.Something definitely went down in the locker room. Not buying this “slow to pick up the system” leak but maybe @andylarsen can clarify.
That is weird, but it is generally known that Hardy has a difficult system. If adopting to a difficult system is the only problem you have with the guy, then there are teams with easier systems or systems where he is more of a natural fit.Why would they say that about a guy if they wanted to trade him? Doesn't that hurt his trade value that's been a little recovered now that his finger and shooting issues seem resolved?
Why would they say that about a guy if they wanted to trade him? Doesn't that hurt his trade value that's been a little recovered now that his finger and shooting issues seem resolved?
If he sucks because he sucks that hurts more than he sucks just because he doesn't fit a specific systemWhy would they say that about a guy if they wanted to trade him? Doesn't that hurt his trade value that's been a little recovered now that his finger and shooting issues seem resolved?
Andy Larsen sounds like he was directly told this. I don't think it's something he accidently overheard. But I could be wrong. He discussed it more on Reddit and it sounds like he is just saying what the staff told him.
That's fair enough. I also think they could be trying to motivate him. They could be trying to prep him to come off the bench. It just seems odd.If he sucks because he sucks that hurts more than he sucks just because he doesn't fit a specific system
The Hawks are 6th in offense..I think that proves how much of our success comes from playing as a unit.
Collins individual play is not that level bad, and yet he is a net negative well beyond his counting stats in every single 2-5 man lineup.... so its not really a fit thing either (unless you want to say that he is a bad fit with EVERYONE). He just doesnt have a grasp on what Hardy wants him to do in different situations, and causes system malfunctions regardless of who he plays with.
I think Atlanta may have broken him and seeing how the Hawks struggle to adapt to Quin's systems I'm thinking there might be others who are broken as well. Nate McMillan ran such elemantary offenses and defenses that when you all of a sudden have to master something more complex you have years of playing only with your instincts and habits that you first need to overcome.
As the kids would say “it ain’t that deep”. It isn’t that he’s performed horribly… it isn’t that he’s broken… it’s simply he’s just not that good. He’s fine but he’s got his limitations. They were there in Atlanta in multiple roles and iterations. The players you need to fit around John to maximize what he does are rare. He’s a third big who’s paid like a surefire everyday starter.I think that proves how much of our success comes from playing as a unit.
Collins individual play is not that level bad, and yet he is a net negative well beyond his counting stats in every single 2-5 man lineup.... so its not really a fit thing either (unless you want to say that he is a bad fit with EVERYONE). He just doesnt have a grasp on what Hardy wants him to do in different situations, and causes system malfunctions regardless of who he plays with.
I think Atlanta may have broken him and seeing how the Hawks struggle to adapt to Quin's systems I'm thinking there might be others who are broken as well. Nate McMillan ran such elemantary offenses and defenses that when you all of a sudden have to master something more complex you have years of playing only with your instincts and habits that you first need to overcome.
Couldn't you say that about most of our roster though? Why are his numbers such an outlier?He’s fine but he’s got his limitations.