Ineptimusprime
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Can someone make a case for how we “get better” this offseason?
Aging is in fact a thing ... some guys have overcome it but they are the exceptions.It sounds like a player like Caruso, Bane, or Maledon would be real useful. It’s too bad these blue-chippers would never be available for the Jazz.
Sarcasm aside, you’re preaching to the choir about Mike. Happy to have him at the right price, but the price isn’t that high.
If he’s $20 million when healthy, then take a third of that away and you’ve got your wage. Because for real, he’s not going to be healthier. If anything, he will be less so.
Only way you don't bring him back is if the price is ridiculous. Letting him walk and then giving a mid first round pick to Memphis would just be the icing to finish off DL's cakkkkk.Seeing a lot of posts in here that make me believe people don't understand we're over the salary cap either way.
If we don't keep Conley, we don't have cap space to replace him.
I think we will try to bring Conley back, unless a super awesome sign and trade presents itself. I just hope it’s a tradeable deal whatever it is. No overpays. You don’t get the patented Jazz overpay if you don’t play in the playoffs. Don’t care if it’s because of injury.The Mike Conley experiment has been a failure due to his being injury prone. Regardless of his next contract, the problem is that the Jazz can't rely on him to be able to play. He's undersized, he's sometimes overmatched physically, and he wears out too quickly. He's a great dude though.
Regular season - it doesn't exist. We can't get any better.Can someone make a case for how we “get better” this offseason?
I think we will try to bring Conley back, unless a super awesome sign and trade presents itself. I just hope it’s a tradeable deal whatever it is. No overpays. You don’t get the patented Jazz overpay if you don’t play in the playoffs. Don’t care if it’s because of injury.
At least one of Bogey, Ingles, or Clarkson will not be on the team next year. It’s the only realistic way to make needed changes unless the FO decides Gobert is on the chopping block.
I think we might also see a purge on the back half of the roster. Can anyone run through the contract situations of guys like Oni, Brantley, Forrest, and Hughes? Who is guaranteed, partially guaranteed? Who is not?
It’s going to be hard to get much out of Conley trade-wise. He’s a UFA, so any team that wants him will just offer him a contract and not have to give up anything. We wouldn’t get much out of a sign and trade, IMO.The Jazz need a 3rd building-block-type piece. Conley isn't it. Bogey is great, but he's more of a Gallinari complementary player. It's not an easy move to make, but the Jazz should be looking to make a consolidation trade for one more guy--an athletic two-way wing who can create and score on his own at a secondary-option level. If that means losing Conley, O'Neale or Bogdanovic as part of the deal, you still do it.
The Jazz need a more reliable second option next to Mitchell. Conley isn't reliable.
We can't trade Conley... we will be over the apron and unable to receive a player in a sign and trade.The Jazz need a 3rd building-block-type piece. Conley isn't it. Bogey is great, but he's more of a Gallinari complementary player. It's not an easy move to make, but the Jazz should be looking to make a consolidation trade for one more guy--an athletic two-way wing who can create and score on his own at a secondary-option level. If that means losing Conley, O'Neale or Bogdanovic as part of the deal, you still do it.
The Jazz need a more reliable second option next to Mitchell. Conley isn't reliable.
Been saying this for a while, although I’ve been pretty sure they don’t quite have the assets for that kind of guy.The Jazz need a 3rd building-block-type piece. Conley isn't it. Bogey is great, but he's more of a Gallinari complementary player. It's not an easy move to make, but the Jazz should be looking to make a consolidation trade for one more guy--an athletic two-way wing who can create and score on his own at a secondary-option level. If that means losing Conley, O'Neale or Bogdanovic as part of the deal, you still do it.
The Jazz need a more reliable second option next to Mitchell. Conley isn't reliable.
We are capped out even without re-signing Conley. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/UTA.htmlCan someone break down the cap impacts of re-signing versus letting Conley walk? Are we under the soft cap if we let him walk? If so, how far under? It’s advantageous to operate over the soft cap but under the luxury tax line, right?
I need a capologist on here or math major Andy Larsen to break this all down for us.
My guess is the best decision would be to bring Conley back unless the asking price is exorbitant.
Can someone break down the cap impacts of re-signing versus letting Conley walk? Are we under the soft cap if we let him walk? If so, how far under? It’s advantageous to operate over the soft cap but under the luxury tax line, right?
I need a capologist on here or math major Andy Larsen to break this all down for us.
My guess is the best decision would be to bring Conley back unless the asking price is exorbitant. Keep him as a trade asset for the next deadline.
Alas, this is true. This is the corner we’re forced to inhabit.There is no other option. This team is done without him.
Sign Conley and get a better backup PG option than Trent Forrest.