Trade ideas

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I worry what Clarke looks like post-Achilles. Would agree if he returns to form he's a nice player. Adams could teach Walker how to set screens and maybe toughen him up a bit. Would at least be super quotable and fun.

That worry is valid, but it seems like the history of guys returning from that injury and getting back to their previous form is pretty high as of late?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That worry is valid, but it seems like the history of guys returning from that injury and getting back to their previous form is pretty high as of late?

Lately its been better but it was horrendous before. He's also so bouncy but I don't know if he relies on it... not sure if that makes sense. Its still probably the most troubling long-term injury imo.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not a huge Mathurin guy myself which is why I left him out. Would think they'd want to keep him since they might lose Buddy next year?

Maybe... they have been so good with Buddy and I think he saw what his trade value was. I bet he comes back. I think they can still extend him.

 

[infection]

I'd definitely do the Adams/Clarke swap. But as Cy said, I'd have a hard time thinking they'd add any additional compensation. It's possible you get a small amount of money or a second or two thrown in, but based on how many we've left on the table, I doubt we'd make a move for that. Adams would probably be a pretty good piece mid-season next year to flip to a playoff team looking for a bit of depth. Clarke would be quite serviceable, but even just dividing that Collins deal, as Cy said. Those are actually the contracts useful for a "star trade."

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Maybe... they have been so good with Buddy and I think he saw what his trade value was. I bet he comes back. I think they can still extend him.

Yeah, but in this world where they get Lauri, they might view retaining Buddy as being too expensive for an offense that is already super-charged without him?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In an Indiana deal I'd want Walker and then I'd prioritize picks over Mathurin... but I do like Mathurin. His value may exceed his actual play because of draft pedigree and playing well as a rookie.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I just dont think Collins makes any sense for the Grizzlies. They have Aldama back now. Is Collins really providing anything for them that Aldama doesnt?

They need a quality wing and a backup PG.

Simone would make sense for them with the way he has played lately. He's at least on a similar talent level as a David Roddy, but provides more shooting which they need.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, but in this world where they get Lauri, they might view retaining Buddy as being too expensive for an offense that is already super-charged without him?

Maybe... I think he brings and important offensive element they might be viewing differently right now. I think he will be retained relatively cheaply... like $20M per year seems about right. They have really clean books so I don't think the cost is an issue.

 

[infection]

You could probably take advantage of some Memphis desperation to offload Collins as a result. They're terrible now. Not sure on their pick status or if tanking is on the table, but I'd imagine the timing with Ja coming back it puts them in no-man's land where they can't fully tank but may be desperate to get some talent on board and may swallow Collins if they're hyper-focused on a quick fix.

Get DA on the phone.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just dont think Collins makes any sense for the Grizzlies. They have Aldama back now. Is Collins really providing anything for them that Aldama doesnt?

They need a quality wing and a backup PG.

Simone would make sense for them with the way he has played lately. He's at least on a similar talent level as a David Roddy, but provides more shooting which they need.

Santi ain't playing all 48 doe. They need depth in the frontcourt. I think they could talk themselves into a Collins JJJ pairing at 4/5.

Maybe they want the Collins contract to trade for a star... I kid... I kid.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You could probably take advantage of some Memphis desperation to offload Collins as a result. They're terrible now. Not sure on their pick status or if tanking is on the table, but I'd imagine the timing with Ja coming back it puts them in no-man's land where they can't fully tank but may be desperate to get some talent on board and may swallow Collins if they're hyper-focused on a quick fix.

Get DA on the phone.

I dont think anyone is looking at Collins as this guy who is going to turn them team around though. I dont think we can trade Collins to a team who is trying to get better.

If Collins gets traded it's because his salary is adding up to get us a better player and we are attaching assets to get the deal done.

I havent watched a Grizzlies game this year (you know the 3 we played against them) and thought "Oh, John Collins would really help this team".

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd definitely do the Adams/Clarke swap. But as Cy said, I'd have a hard time thinking they'd add any additional compensation. It's possible you get a small amount of money or a second or two thrown in, but based on how many we've left on the table, I doubt we'd make a move for that. Adams would probably be a pretty good piece mid-season next year to flip to a playoff team looking for a bit of depth. Clarke would be quite serviceable, but even just dividing that Collins deal, as Cy said. Those are actually the contracts useful for a "star trade."

Clarke did tear his Achilles last year. So this year he won't play... same with Adams... and next year both guys likely need time to ramp up. That is why I think the Grizz would do it. I mean Collins is solid fill in there and they'd get like 1-1.5 more years of service (maybe) than they are currently projected to get.

Clarke may take a couple years to actually contribute but if he did get back to where he was his deal is a bargain. Both guys help us tank this year for sure.