Walker Kessler Bench Appreciation Thread

[fishonjazz]

Against anyone with any kind of quickness on the perimeter he's usually getting roasted.

I think this is true about most bigs. There is a reason you want them to stay in the paint. Actually a couple reasons. 1. They are great in the paint. 2. They are not as good out on the perimeter. I remember some shaqtin a fool segments featuring an ex jazz center getting roasted by quick dudes on the perimeter. Also some small ball playoff stuff that I dont want to think about. Part of the playoff stuff was due to having poor perimeter defenders so he was scared to leave the paint and give up layups.... which is another reason why most bigs dont want to/and shouldn't be leaving the paint to guard the perimeter. If they do that then the paint is wide open for layups (which currently happens when Kessler isn't in the paint). Part of the reason was because defending smaller guys on the perimeter is not a strength of any dudes as big as our recent paint defenders.

In summary, All bigs are poor at guarding the perimeter against super fast/quick guys.

 

[Fosto]

I think this is true about most bigs. There is a reason you want them to stay in the paint. Actually a couple reasons. 1. They are great in the paint. 2. They are not as good out on the perimeter. I remember some shaqtin a fool segments featuring an ex jazz center getting roasted by quick dudes on the perimeter. Also some small ball playoff stuff that I dont want to think about. Part of the playoff stuff was due to having poor perimeter defenders so he was scared to leave the paint and give up layups.... which is another reason why most bigs dont want to/and shouldn't be leaving the paint to guard the perimeter. If they do that then the paint is wide open for layups (which currently happens when Kessler isn't in the paint). Part of the reason was because defending smaller guys on the perimeter is not a strength of any dudes as big as our recent paint defenders.

In summary, All bigs are poor at guarding the perimeter against super fast/quick guys.

Unless he can shut down Fox on the perimeter, he's worthless!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think this is true about most bigs. There is a reason you want them to stay in the paint. Actually a couple reasons. 1. They are great in the paint. 2. They are not as good out on the perimeter. I remember some shaqtin a fool segments featuring an ex jazz center getting roasted by quick dudes on the perimeter. Also some small ball playoff stuff that I dont want to think about. Part of the playoff stuff was due to having poor perimeter defenders so he was scared to leave the paint and give up layups.... which is another reason why most bigs dont want to/and shouldn't be leaving the paint to guard the perimeter. If they do that then the paint is wide open for layups (which currently happens when Kessler isn't in the paint). Part of the reason was because defending smaller guys on the perimeter is not a strength of any dudes as big as our recent paint defenders.

In summary, All bigs are poor at guarding the perimeter against super fast/quick guys.

In summary, all your post trying to analyze basketball are poor.

 

[fishonjazz]

In summary, all your post trying to analyze basketball are poor.

What part did you disagree with?

Do you think that 7 footers are typically good at guarding Steph and fox and Lillard out at the 3 point line?

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[hgb]

No, it wasn't. Gobert was always good at guarding the perimeter. I don't think Kessler is bad at it either. He seems to do a fair job closing out and staying with his man.

I may be remembering it wrong, or just getting hung up on the bad ones, but I feel getting Rudy switched on quick guards with a shot wasn't a recipe for success in the earlier years. That said, I agree they're both pretty good at it, all things considering their size and the speed (and skills) of those guards.

Rudy really perfected the chase-down block after some time, but I didn't really think he had that going those first couple of years.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

It sucks when Cy has a good point, because he creates an environment where good discussion on that point is basically impossible around here.

Kessler needs more dawg in him. Rudy always had way more dawg. This is particularly obvious on offense.

One could say that Kessler is on a perfectly good developmental trajectory. But it's also fair to wonder if dawg is something you have or you don't.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It sucks when Cy has a good point, because he creates an environment where good discussion on that point is basically impossible around here.

Kessler needs more dawg in him. Rudy always had way more dawg. This is particularly obvious on offense.

One could say that Kessler is on a perfectly good developmental trajectory. But it's also fair to wonder if dawg is something you have or you don't.

I can say without much doubt... dawg is not developed... it is in you or it isn't.

He can be more physical and some of that dawg is not always productive. Its the same stuff that might get Rudy in hot water with his teammates in film rooms when calling out dudes. I can tell Walker wants to be good and wants to improve. He ain't got that dawg in him though... and that's okay.

 

[Fosto]

It sucks when Cy has a good point, because he creates an environment where good discussion on that point is basically impossible around here.

Kessler needs more dawg in him. Rudy always had way more dawg. This is particularly obvious on offense.

One could say that Kessler is on a perfectly good developmental trajectory. But it's also fair to wonder if dawg is something you have or you don't.

He's been trying to go up strong through contact lately. So I think the coaching staff is working with him on it. I think it would be easier for him to find that dawg if he improves his FT%. I can understand why he's reluctant to get fouled when he's barely hitting half his free throws.

 

[Fosto]

I can say without much doubt... dawg is not developed... it is in you or it isn't.

He can be more physical and some of that dawg is not always productive. Its the same stuff that might get Rudy in hot water with his teammates in film rooms when calling out dudes. I can tell Walker wants to be good and wants to improve. He ain't got that dawg in him though... and that's okay.

To an extent. He'll never be like Sexton, but he can learn to make the "correct" most efficient play on both ends, even with average dawgness.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To an extent. He'll never be like Sexton, but he can learn to make the "correct" most efficient play on both ends, even with average dawgness.

Right. And I don't think he's a shrinking violet. I think he is just more likely to help a guy up than stand over him ya know.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Unless he can shut down Fox on the perimeter, he's worthless!

How did we get to this point again?

Nobody's saying that Kessler should be able to "shut down" guards on the perimeter. Come on. But if you want to be a future candidate for DPOY like someone said, you can't just sit in the hole either.

At this point Kessler is something of a low post block hunter, and a very efficient one. To become a fixture in the NBA All-Defense Team, he eventually needs to venture outside his comfort zone more. He needs to close out, he needs to show, he needs to recover hard. That's just today's game.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

How did we get to this point again?

Nobody's saying that Kessler should be able to "shut down" guards on the perimeter. Come on. But if you want to be a future candidate for DPOY like someone said, you can't just sit in the hole either.

At this point Kessler is something of a low post block hunter, and a very efficient one. To become a fixture in the NBA All-Defense Team, he eventually needs to venture outside his comfort zone more. He needs to close out, he needs to show, he needs to recover hard. That's just today's game.

The Walker Stans have to deflect any criticism by taking the criticism way out of proportion.

 

[Fosto]

How did we get to this point again?

Nobody's saying that Kessler should be able to "shut down" guards on the perimeter. Come on. But if you want to be a future candidate for DPOY like someone said, you can't just sit in the hole either.

At this point Kessler is something of a low post block hunter, and a very efficient one. To become a fixture in the NBA All-Defense Team, he eventually needs to venture outside his comfort zone more. He needs to close out, he needs to show, he needs to recover hard. That's just today's game.

No disagreement that he needs to improve in some regards. But I think he's a respectable defender on the perimeter against larger or slower guards. An obvious example was how well he defended Luka Doncic the other day.

 

[Fosto]

The Walker Stans have to deflect any criticism by taking the criticism way out of proportion.

I've been critical of Kessler often. You just seem to like drama.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I've been critical of Kessler often. You just seem to like drama.

Yeah, I definitely dont. People just cant take opinions.

 

[fishonjazz]

How did we get to this point again?

Nobody's saying that Kessler should be able to "shut down" guards on the perimeter. Come on. But if you want to be a future candidate for DPOY like someone said, you can't just sit in the hole either.

At this point Kessler is something of a low post block hunter, and a very efficient one. To become a fixture in the NBA All-Defense Team, he eventually needs to venture outside his comfort zone more. He needs to close out, he needs to show, he needs to recover hard. That's just today's game.

He already does this though.
He literally blocked 2 three point attempts in the last two games (different players).
He closes out, he shows, he recovers hard. He defends his own man and his teammates man at the same time. He swats one dude and turns around and swats another dude. Strong side, weak side, he does it all.
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[framer]

How did we get to this point again?

Nobody's saying that Kessler should be able to "shut down" guards on the perimeter. Come on. But if you want to be a future candidate for DPOY like someone said, you can't just sit in the hole either.

At this point Kessler is something of a low post block hunter, and a very efficient one. To become a fixture in the NBA All-Defense Team, he eventually needs to venture outside his comfort zone more. He needs to close out, he needs to show, he needs to recover hard. That's just today's game.

The stats say that Kessler makes anyone within 6 feet of him shoot 16% worse on average ANYWHERE on the floor. No other player in the NBA, including Rudy, who according to Locke, just fell behind Kessler on this stat does this better. It makes me wonder about people who see it in the games, can see the stats that back up the eye test, and still want to lie to themselves about a player on the team they supposedly cheer for is somehow lacking. Especially when that player is making 3 million per and is nowhere near their prime.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He's been trying to go up strong through contact lately. So I think the coaching staff is working with him on it. I think it would be easier for him to find that dawg if he improves his FT%. I can understand why he's reluctant to get fouled when he's barely hitting half his free throws.

No he hasnt.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The stats say that Kessler makes anyone within 6 feet of him shoot 16% worse on average ANYWHERE on the floor. No other player in the NBA, including Rudy, who according to Locke, just fell behind Kessler on this stat does this better. It makes me wonder about people who see it in the games, can see the stats that back up the eye test, and still want to lie to themselves about a player on the team they supposedly cheer for is somehow lacking. Especially when that player is making 3 million per and is nowhere near their prime.

What?

No one has said anything about Walker Kessler not being a good rim protector...

 

[fishonjazz]

What?

No one has said anything about Walker Kessler not being a good rim protector...

But they have said he doesn't defend the perimeter, close out, blah blah.
That stat is talking about anywhere and everywhere on the court. Perimeter included.
Sorry

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