The Fresh Prince
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I guess you haven't heard the Lakers landed the #2 pick. Lonzo Ball is a Point guard so Russell is probably getting shipped .
If Hayward Leaves?
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I guess you haven't heard the Lakers landed the #2 pick. Lonzo Ball is a Point guard so Russell is probably getting shipped .
I really dont think it would. Carmello in the twilight of his career with Hood at SG? That would be a boring team on offense.
I think they can play Russell and Ball together. It will be interesting to see how it does.
If there was ever a draft to tell all your players to go down with fake injuries, it would be the 2018 draft.
Michael Porter
Mo Bama
Luka Doncic
I'd murder someone for either Doncic or Porter next to Hayward/Gobert.
Michael Porter
Mo Bama
Luka Doncic
I'd murder someone for either Doncic or Porter next to Hayward/Gobert.
framer
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We would just be exchanging emergency rooms, plus they get a draft pick.
I don't think a tank to get a top 5 or whatever pick is possible if Rudy is on the team. He's that impactful.
And this insanity about trading him...I just don't get it at all. He's one of the best defensive big men to come around in ages. Those guys don't fall off trees.
And this insanity about trading him...I just don't get it at all. He's one of the best defensive big men to come around in ages. Those guys don't fall off trees.
Joncolton
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Something tells me the Jazz are willing to spend and deal in unprecedented ways this year. Maybe by the time the season starts this whole thread will be a laugh.
Cappy_Smurf
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Yep, you try to retool around him for 2 years at least. The only way you trade him is if the team bombs for 2 years and you think you there's a good chance you lose him at the end of his contract. At that point, you have to think about rebuilding from the ground up, but not before.
Put Gobert in mothballs to whatever degree you can get away with and dump everyone except Exum (because I'm not confident of the return given his ceiling and cost of acquiring him in the first place) for picks and cap room (to become more picks later), then just shamelessly tank your *** off. That's one way to do it. I'd much rather things go well, though.
checkbookdoc
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If Hayward leaves you need to rebuild, the only question is do you wait a year to start or start immediately. I think the answer depends on if you can get a top 3 pick this year for Gobert. If you can't then you try again next year. My preference would be a deal with the 76ers that included Saric and the #3 pick (Josh Jackson).
With a young stud this year we could run out a lineup that increases the value of movable players (e.g. Hood and Favors) and lets us see some of the other young players (Exum, Lyles, etc.). That lineup could be fun to watch develop, but more importantly would be lousy and we would get another young stud next year. Basically, because the top of the draft this year and next is strong, you could limit your tanking to one year!
I think it is much more enjoyable to watch a team develop than to watch them not be good enough year after year.
With a young stud this year we could run out a lineup that increases the value of movable players (e.g. Hood and Favors) and lets us see some of the other young players (Exum, Lyles, etc.). That lineup could be fun to watch develop, but more importantly would be lousy and we would get another young stud next year. Basically, because the top of the draft this year and next is strong, you could limit your tanking to one year!
I think it is much more enjoyable to watch a team develop than to watch them not be good enough year after year.
[MENTION=253]Saint Cy of JFC[/MENTION] what are the odds Washington doesn't match a max offer sheet for Porter?
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homeytennis
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Jazz have four picks in the 2017 draft.
green
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This thread is all the more reason why it's so important for Utah to make a trade BEFORE the FA period starts.
Bring in the third leg to your title push and make it so Hayward has more wins and money to stay.
If we get to FA and have done nothing, we might be screwed.
If Hayward leaves, you are screwed. College kids aren't good enough to come in and carry a team right away. You'd probably be best served trading Gobert to Boston for picks (Fultz, next year Brooklyn pick, 2019 Memphis pick) and tank the **** out of the league ala Philly.
That would give you the #1 pick this year, two top 5 picks in 18 (Brooklyn and Utah), a late first rounder in 18 (OKC), hopefully a late lottery pick in 19 (Utah Jazz), and a top 10 pick in 19, 20 or 21 (Memphis).
It would be dumb to try to rebuild around Gobert the way you tried to build around Hayward. You'd be too good to get top talent in the draft and when you got good again he'd be a free agent and just leave.
Basically Hayward leaving would be devastating and set up back 5 years.
Bring in the third leg to your title push and make it so Hayward has more wins and money to stay.
If we get to FA and have done nothing, we might be screwed.
If Hayward leaves, you are screwed. College kids aren't good enough to come in and carry a team right away. You'd probably be best served trading Gobert to Boston for picks (Fultz, next year Brooklyn pick, 2019 Memphis pick) and tank the **** out of the league ala Philly.
That would give you the #1 pick this year, two top 5 picks in 18 (Brooklyn and Utah), a late first rounder in 18 (OKC), hopefully a late lottery pick in 19 (Utah Jazz), and a top 10 pick in 19, 20 or 21 (Memphis).
It would be dumb to try to rebuild around Gobert the way you tried to build around Hayward. You'd be too good to get top talent in the draft and when you got good again he'd be a free agent and just leave.
Basically Hayward leaving would be devastating and set up back 5 years.
gomretat
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Agreed that the Jazz will be aggressive in trying to make a change before free agency and that is a good thing. I disagree that if Hayward leaves we start over. Big setback - obviously. But there is no GM in this league that wouldn't love Rudy as the key starting point for building a team. If you pressed me to choose between Rudy and Gordon, we already extended the person who is the most important.
Jazz4ever
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The only way it could even remotely happen is if Hayward and Hill walk, and we strike out in free agency.
At this point, you could strategically sit Gobert for half the season (just enough to get fans to still show up).
I wouldn't be totally against it, but you probably have to get top 4, it doesn't have the depth of this years draft.
To those that would say trade Rudy Gobert because Hayward signs elsewhere are crazy....... Gobert is only 24 yrs old who already is learning how to score in the paint on offense.The Jazz are having to see if a summer of hard work heals Hood,Favors,Burks and Exum working on strength and his game improves the Jazz from within.It will be hard to move Favors or Burks in a trade and unwise to try to move Exum or Hood when their ceilings are so high.
Jazz fanz want to pile on on these young players as busts.Jazz are still trending up with Hayward ,BUT won't crash to the bottom without Hayward if all their players return back healthy.They can still make the playoffs led by Gobert.
Jazz fanz want to pile on on these young players as busts.Jazz are still trending up with Hayward ,BUT won't crash to the bottom without Hayward if all their players return back healthy.They can still make the playoffs led by Gobert.
green
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I agree that you'd love to have Gobert as the cornerstone of your franchise. The problem is this: You put yourself in the same situation you put yourself in with Hayward.
Year 1: you tank to get a top 3 pick.
Year 2: you start to build around the pick and Gobert, end up with a 8-12 pick.
Year 3: you make a push for the playoffs, end up late lottery.
Year 4: you make the playoffs, win a round, the future looks bright.
Then, that summer, Gobert goes and signs with "insert big market" team, that has cap space and is a top 3 team.
Are you willing to take that risk?
Or, do you trade him for all of Boston's assets? You get Fultz, a couple top 3 picks next year and another lottery pick in 19 and another possible lottery pick in Memphis' pick.
I'd do it right this time, unlike the last tank.
I doubt Boston would trade the 2017 #1 pick plus an unprotected lottery pick in 2018 for Gobert. Nor would the Jazz want to make that move. The #1 pick does not get traded very often in the modern NBA. Unless you have a LeBron demanding it.
We are unlikely to lose Hayward.
The Jazz feel pretty good about retaining him based on letting him get to become UFA.
If we do lose him the Jazz will not blow the whole team up and rebuild. They can't afford to nor do they need to. There are options that can keep us competitive.
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We are unlikely to lose Hayward.
The Jazz feel pretty good about retaining him based on letting him get to become UFA.
If we do lose him the Jazz will not blow the whole team up and rebuild. They can't afford to nor do they need to. There are options that can keep us competitive.
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checkbookdoc
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This is funny because I feel the opposite! If Hayward leaves and the Jazz don't rebuild I will take a break until they do rebuild. I would prefer to watch a team compete for home court advantage, but if that is not possible the next most entertaining for me is to watch a team and players developing towards something. I really have no interest in watching a .500 team competing for 8th in the playoffs! Who would you rather have been a fan of this year, the Mavericks or the Wolves? For me it is the Wolves.