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Does a Trade Involving Mirotic Happen Tomorrow for the Jazz?

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..............Memo..........Niko

Age 23...6.9 PPG.......10.2 PPG
Age 24...9.6 PPG.......11.8 PPG
Age 25...12.9 PPG.....10.6 PPG
Age 26...18 PPG........17.3 PPG
 
infection said:
..............Memo..........Niko

Age 23...6.9 PPG.......10.2 PPG
Age 24...9.6 PPG.......11.8 PPG
Age 25...12.9 PPG.....10.6 PPG
Age 26...18 PPG........17.3 PPG
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Sure do miss the days of the money man. Always really liked Memo, he made for a lot of fun games.
 
Wolves have the longest active playoff drought. They sure sound like a blueprint #takenote

smfh
 
Niko looks like a great fit, but, like others have said, our own picks should be totally off-limits. Taurean Prince is starting to look like a valuable asset, for example. The fact that Haybitch bolted + cost us two 1st-round picks trying to mollify his *** really sucks. We gotta find a way to recover those assets AND get Niko.
 
It looks like Mirotic is going to play today in an afternoon game, unless he's a late scratch. Nothing looks to be close. The Jazz could revist Mirotic at draft time or in the off season, that is more the DL way.
 
You don’t trade 1st rounders, period. Not unless you’re a contender and need just one more player to put you over the top. We are far from contending and must stock up on as much cheap talent as possible. If anything, I’d love to stock up on assets right now. Does Cleveland want Hood?
 
infection said:
But my belief is that a top 20 protected gets it done. Yeah, Niko could leave in a year and a half, but we’d have his early bird rights, we’d be on the upswing, and I don’t think he’d find a more perfect fit. Of course there’s no way of knowing but we’re guessing here, just like we’re guessing that the guy we draft would be worth having 7 years of control over.
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I’m fine with top 20 protected. That converts into two seconds.

He might leave or stay... if he stays you are paying the guy... which is fine. I just don’t want to overpay. The tank likely fails because we won’t do it. Getting Niko for a bargain is a fine compromise.

I think tanking might be even smarter doe.

This is part of the problem with the league. You can be noble and get penalized awfully hard for it. The draft reform didn’t change that either. We’d have even more reason to tank under new rules , unfortunately don’t click in until next year. I just think you can play for pride and honor and not be all in on winning too. If you play Bradley and oneale a bunch and win then it’s because they are good and we may not need to tank.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’m fine with top 20 protected. That converts into two seconds.
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Locke brought up an interesting point about the heavy protection route, and that's that it seriously hampers trade flexibility in the future, because of the stepien rule. Say the trade is set up so that Chicago receives a first round pick top 20 protected this year, top 15 protected 2019, top 10 protected 2020, then two 2nds afterwards. The problem with doing that, is that the Jazz are now unable to use a first round pick in a trade until two years after the last possible conveying point of that protected first rounder. Speaking purely hypothetically (this example isn't at all based in reality), say Golden State wants to send the Jazz Klay Thompson for Rodney Hood at their 2021 first round pick next year at the deadline. The Jazz couldn't do the trade, because Chicago holds hypothetical ownership of each first through 2020, meaning 2021 is off limits, per the stepien rule (until the pick actually conveys, if it does so earlier).

In this way the seemingly awesome 'fake first' situation ends up being a pretty significant strangle on trade flexibility.
 
radiohegel said:
Locke brought up an interesting point about the heavy protection route, and that's that it seriously hampers trade flexibility in the future, because of the stepien rule. Say the trade is set up so that Chicago receives a first round pick top 20 protected this year, top 15 protected 2019, top 10 protected 2020, then two 2nds afterwards. The problem with doing that, is that the Jazz are now unable to use a first round pick in a trade until two years after the last possible conveying point of that protected first rounder. Speaking purely hypothetically (this example isn't at all based in reality), say Golden State wants to send the Jazz Klay Thompson for Rodney Hood at their 2021 first round pick next year at the deadline. The Jazz couldn't do the trade, because Chicago holds hypothetical ownership of each first through 2020, meaning 2021 is off limits, per the stepien rule (until the pick actually conveys, if it does so earlier).

In this way the seemingly awesome 'fake first' situation ends up being a pretty significant strangle on trade flexibility.
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I don’t view it the same way. There are ways around it. You could negotiate with Chicago to lower protections or make it unprotected.

I’m also talking top 18-20 protected this year and if it does not convert they get our second and a 2019 second. So no more limitations.

If it was multiyear protection and likely to convey at some point then we shouldn’t be trading any more first rounders. We robbed our future to make someone happy and went to the draft pick bank account twice to make withdrawals. I hope we learned and won’t do the same thing going forward.

I don’t think they get a first for him unless they take bad money... wait them out... they risk losing him for nothing if he gets hurt. They would have to pick up his option this summer hoping to get more in a trade... all the while he wins them 5-6 more games this year and hurts their pick.

When we tank and they pass us in the standings they can trade him to us for Burks and a pick swap... unless we get a
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Sweet. Other teams play for championships... teams that tanked to help start their runs... like San Antonio and Golden State... but yeah they don’t play for pride obvi.
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List all the other teams that tanked for a championship and never got one... That list is a lot longer than the list of teams that tanked and then won.
 
radiohegel said:
Locke brought up an interesting point about the heavy protection route, and that's that it seriously hampers trade flexibility in the future, because of the stepien rule. Say the trade is set up so that Chicago receives a first round pick top 20 protected this year, top 15 protected 2019, top 10 protected 2020, then two 2nds afterwards. The problem with doing that, is that the Jazz are now unable to use a first round pick in a trade until two years after the last possible conveying point of that protected first rounder. Speaking purely hypothetically (this example isn't at all based in reality), say Golden State wants to send the Jazz Klay Thompson for Rodney Hood at their 2021 first round pick next year at the deadline. The Jazz couldn't do the trade, because Chicago holds hypothetical ownership of each first through 2020, meaning 2021 is off limits, per the stepien rule (until the pick actually conveys, if it does so earlier).

In this way the seemingly awesome 'fake first' situation ends up being a pretty significant strangle on trade flexibility.
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Completely overwrought because the most important pick, the one in the lottery, we keep. Keeping top 20 picks is far more important than hypothetical future trade fodder. Keeping today's asset, and keeping the top 20 pick is the best possible outcome.
 
Bulletproof said:
List all the other teams that tanked for a championship and never got one... That list is a lot longer than the list of teams that tanked and then won.
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List all the teams that failed to get a championship building through trades... then the ones that did it through free agency... and the ones that failed to win championships through late lotto picks.

The list of teams that have won championships through various methods of team building is naturally much shorter than the list of teams that have failed... only one champ and there are 29 losers.

We will have to build a contender through the draft... the better that pick the better our chance of getting the pieces necessary. It is a low percentage venture but we are choosing between low percentage ventures and that one has the best chance at netting us a contender.
 
framer said:
Completely overwrought because the most important pick, the one in the lottery, we keep. Keeping top 20 picks is far more important than hypothetical future trade fodder. Keeping today's asset, and keeping the top 20 pick is the best possible outcome.
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I'm not a proponent of trading a first at all. The question I'm addressing isn't "do we trade this year's pick unprotected, or put protections on it", but rather, "do we not offer a first at all, or should we offer a heavily protected 'fake first'?" At a glance, the fake first route seems like a good situation without super obvious consequences. All I'm trying to point out is that it does have some bad side effects, so it is probably not worth going that route either. I'd offer them maybe a couple seconds up front, or nothing.
 
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