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gandalfe said:
Wrong, wrong, and also wrong.

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a-fetus-feel-pain-at-20-weeks/
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ooh scientific studies are irrefutable. too bad different scientific studies have different results.

the problem is with these studies with different conclusion seems to for example the pro-murder side says that the studies that show earlier fetal pain is funded by pro life.
and the one that shows later fetal pain occurence are funded by pro murder group

that is what people seem to be saying


so depending on which studie(s) you believe fetal pain does occur sooner or later
 
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DutchJazzer said:
ooh scientific studies are irrefutable. too bad different scientific studies have different results.

the problem is with these studies with different conclusion seems to for example the pro-murder side says that the studies that show earlier fetal pain is funded by pro life.
and the one that shows later fetal pain occurence are funded by pro murder group

that is what people seem to be saying


so depending on which studie(s) you believe fetal pain does occur sooner or later
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So you can't prove ****. Nor can pro-choicers.

So why should we write laws on this again?
 
DutchJazzer said:
ooh scientific studies are irrefutable. too bad different scientific studies have different results.

the problem is with these studies with different conclusion seems to for example the pro-murder side says that the studies that show earlier fetal pain is funded by pro life.
and the one that shows later fetal pain occurence are funded by pro murder group

that is what people seem to be saying


so depending on which studie(s) you believe fetal pain does occur sooner or later
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See, that's the beauty of science, is our knowledge changes the more we learn. What I linked, which you appear not to have read, was talking about a study of ALL available evidence.
 
gandalfe said:
See, that's the beauty of science, is our knowledge changes the more we learn. What I linked, which you appear not to have read, was talking about a study of ALL available evidence.
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This is why links are so few and far between. By reading them, the opposing side feels like they're admitting that there may be an issue. It doesn't matter how many people think there's a problem, it doesn't matter how much evidence says "this is an issue", even considering means they've lost.

The only way to win is you have to surprise them into reading something they want to read and somewhere in there change it around on them. Like hiding a pill in a block of cheese to get your dog to eat it.
 
Broncster said:
***** is also life in its earliest process. All human cells are living at some point as well. Human life is a process that can end at many stages in the process. If you have defined where that is and where it holds rights at, good for you. But calling someone how finds that point different disgusting and psychotic is extreme and leads to extreme behavior. For example more abortion clinic employees were killed by murderers this year in the USA than women who died during the abortion process in the rest of the world.

I am morally opposed to you as a man to be making decisions for women and their bodies and whats inside them. Even if my thoughts on abortion are different than others I dont find them disgusting and psychotic for having different morals, backgrounds, upbringing and ideas. Since the vast majority of humans simply take on the morals/religion they were born into. Most people who support abortion or oppose abortion are fighting for what they believe is right and a good thing. Even if I dont agree with them I can at least respect that they are trying to do something they believe is good. Disgusting and psychotic people are not trying to make the world a better place.

So where is that point for you that its life? The millisecond that the sperm enters the egg and not before? When the brain is developed? When cognitive thoughts start? When it starts looking like a human? When its able to survive on its own or out of the womb?
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It's cool that you wanna deny what it is. I'd do that too probably or I wouldn't be able to look at myself, sleep at night or live guilt free. :)
 
Are the mothers giving consent? If they are I don't see the big deal here. If they aren't, and PP is doing this on their own, then I don't see how there isn't a lawsuit or nasty federal investigation into this.

But the concept of organ harvesting for science of medical reasons shouldn't be foreign to anyone. Our country has been doing this for decades. Just make sure you have consent before its done.
 
I will say this, the anti PP crowd seems to be talking about of both sides of their mouths.

They find abortion disgusting yet don't allow comprehensive sex education to be taught in public schools and want to limit the availability of birth control.

You can't have it both ways.

Want to lower the abortion rate? Comprehensive sex education and birth control.

The abstinence only nonsense has proven in countless states and countries to be ineffective at dropping teen pregnancy or the overall abortion rate.
 
ElRoach0 said:
This is why links are so few and far between. By reading them, the opposing side feels like they're admitting that there may be an issue. It doesn't matter how many people think there's a problem, it doesn't matter how much evidence says "this is an issue", even considering means they've lost.

The only way to win is you have to surprise them into reading something they want to read and somewhere in there change it around on them. Like hiding a pill in a block of cheese to get your dog to eat it.
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my problem with this murder crap is by making the taxpayer pay, you are ine ffect making everybody complicit in this heinous act of murder.
 
The Thriller said:
I will say this, the anti PP crowd seems to be talking about of both sides of their mouths.

They find abortion disgusting yet don't allow comprehensive sex education to be taught in public schools and want to limit the availability of birth control.

You can't have it both ways.

Want to lower the abortion rate? Comprehensive sex education and birth control.

The abstinence only nonsense has proven in countless states and countries to be ineffective at dropping teen pregnancy or the overall abortion rate.
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i for example do not want to limit the availability of birth control.
and depends what you mean comprehensive sex ed. sex ed is the parents choice.
dont want schools to teach kids as pre-teen(age 10 and under) about certain things.
and hell dont want schools to teach that marriage is between 2 gayhomosexual.
 
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