Stephen A Smith & Jalen Rose - Mitchell is ROY

[Archie Moses]

Who is this with the DM hate? Oh it's just Archie Moses.

I'm not hating on Mitchell at all. I like Simmons and understand how rare his talent is. To like Simmons does not mean to hate Mitchell.

Are you a woman by chance?

 

[Archie Moses]

you obviously did not watch the game and don't know what you are talking about.
Simmons’ reverse alley-oop slam gave the 76ers their first lead in the fourth quarter, with 5:15 to play, and he followed that up with another strong jam inside. He got the job done on both ends, with the 76ers surviving after Dwyane Wade’s three at the buzzer was off the mark.

I gave him a breakdown of how good Simmons was in the fourth and he still argued it.

 

[Et tu Brute]

I just read a definition and “defensive RPM” seems like a horseshitee metric.

Essentially, it adjusts nominal “plus minus” for the quality of defenders the player is on the court with. Rationale being if Draymond Green, Rudy Gobert, and James Harden are on the court at the same time, Harden is going to look like a lock down defender, when the credit really goes to Green and Gobert. But ultimately, I think the adjusted “real” metric ends up hurting the guys who play with elite defenders. It also ignores how two defenders can complement each other (treats it as a zero sum game).

We can tell from our own two eyes, Donovan has long arms that make it difficult for opposing offense, he gets big steals at big times, and can block shots. Most importantly, he is always hustling on defense. The one thing I would like to see him improve on is early foul trouble. Sometimes he can stack up 3 in a row in the first quarter.

I'm surprised how often he is blown by.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Both Simmons and DM are having rookie seasons that follow and exceed previous Hall of Fame players. I believe both will end up their.

Now on who is having a better season. Simmons is a stat stuffer and that's awesome but he's not the best number one option on his team. His 18ppg is not even close to as impressive as Mitchell's 20ppg (honestly lately you expect to see 24-25 from the Spider.) Mitchell is having to create his 20+ while the other team revolves their defense around him.

Also Utah's has a system in place that spreads stats like rebounds and assists around. Where Philli is primarily an Iso focused offense that compliments your highest usage players with increased stats (example Russ with the Thunder.)

Finally DM wins us games on offense an unheard of thing from a rookie. The true judge of how good a player is Wins. Both Been and Don are winners but DM is winning games.

ROY goes to DM.

Philly is far from iso heavy. Embiid at times sure but they have beautiful ball movement in that system, very spurs/jazz like and of course Brett Brown is a Pop disciple.

Again. Do you watch the sixers?

 

[Et tu Brute]

I was thinking about Ron Mexico's takes on Simmons in 4th quarters.. and there is truth to it.
I think it largely revolves around him not really wanting to have to win games at the free throw line which Mitchell does in his sleep. So I think this does affect how much he has the ball real deep in close games and they generally find ways to get the ball in JJ's or Embiid's hands.

So yea it's a thing.

 

[Ron Mexico]

This just proves you dont watch Simmons.

He lets his BIGS clean up the boards so they get their numbers. He blocks out then moves to the corner for the outlet and begins the break.

I do watch 76ers pretty regularly. Stats and my eyes disagree with this assessment.

I am a homer but so are you. We are both jazz homers and one of us is a huge Australian homer as well.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I'm not hating on Mitchell at all. I like Simmons and understand how rare his talent is. To like Simmons does not mean to hate Mitchell.

Are you a woman by chance?

Says the guy who claims people are saying Simmons sucks and is overrated who think Mitchell is better.

 

[sahlensguy]

I'm not hating on Mitchell at all. I like Simmons and understand how rare his talent is. To like Simmons does not mean to hate Mitchell.

Are you a woman by chance?

If you sincerely are interested, it's in my profile.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

If Donovan wins the dunk contest, he will lock up the ROY award. That is my gut feeling.

They better not cheat him out the dunk contest, like they did who was it Aaron Gordon a couple years years ago. I can just see the politicans behind the scenes wanting to give it to DSJ

 

[elan_prodigy]

I do watch 76ers pretty regularly. Stats and my eyes disagree with this assessment.

I am a homer but so are you. We are both jazz homers and one of us is a huge Australian homer as well.

Yeh Im just gonna call BS on that.

What "homer" takes are you referring to? One example will be sufficient.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Yeh Im just gonna call BS on that.

What "homer" takes are you referring to? One example will be sufficient.

So you're not an Australian player fan? You don't hype up Exum. You dont follow and watch Simmon's?

 

[Siro]

Yeh Im just gonna call BS on that.

What "homer" takes are you referring to? One example will be sufficient.

You literally said the team should've handed the keys to a rookie scrub and just had faith it'll all work out.

 

[elan_prodigy]

So you're not an Australian player fan? You don't hype up Exum. You dont follow and watch Simmon's?

No I dont hype up Exum, I defend him often but thats not hype. Yes I follow and watch Simmons. Im also tough on Ingles. Whats your point?

 

[elan_prodigy]

You literally said the team should've handed the keys to a rookie scrub and just had faith it'll all work out.

Lol. When?

Last year? I was so stoked we got G.Hill
This year? I may have. But he was healthy and in his RFA year, it was time to see what he had. Thats not homerism just basketball.

 

[Ron Mexico]

No I dont hype up Exum. Yes I follow and watch Simmons. Im also tough on Ingles. Whats your point?

That you are a homer for your Australian players, that is what being a fan is.

You are a huge Exum homer, that is what most people know you for on here. I mean here is a quote from you:

Before I start I'll admit that I am somewhat of a Dante Exum homer.

You also have tons of statements about Simmons being the next greatest player in the NBA. I mean you drafted Simmons in the all-time greatest players in the NBA draft on here.

Its okay to be a Homer, we all are homers of some kind. You happen to be an Australian player Homer with your Exum and Simmons love.

 

[Siro]

Lol. When?

Last year? I was so stoked we got G.Hill
This year? I may have. But he was healthy and in his RFA year, it was time to see what he had. Thats not homerism just basketball.

You said that DM is being given the keys and being allowed to make mistakes, while Exum wasn't. I'm pretty it was you saying that. Completely disregarding that Exum had zero offensive game as rookie, and him being handed the keys would have been a hilarious decision.

So that's homerism. You wouldn't make the same argument for a non-Australian scrub.

 

[elan_prodigy]

That you are a homer for your Australian players, that is what being a fan is.

You are a huge Exum homer, that is what most people know you for on here. I mean here is a quote from you:


You also have tons of statements about Simmons being the next greatest player in the NBA. I mean you drafted Simmons in the all-time greatest players in the NBA draft on here.

Its okay to be a Homer, we all are homers of some kind. You happen to be an Australian player Homer with your Exum and Simmons love.

What was the rest of the quote? Dont take things out of context. The majority of my Exum takes are defending him while still recovering or bitching about Mack getting his back up mins...

As for Simmons, I watched the dude come up, his games at LSU. Saying he would be a great player was pretty obvious. Also I took him like 9th round haha.

 

[elan_prodigy]

You said that DM is being given the keys and being allowed to make mistakes, while Exum wasn't. I'm pretty it was you saying that. Completely disregarding that Exum had zero offensive game as rookie, and him being handed the keys would have been a hilarious decision.

So that's homerism. You wouldn't make the same argument for a non-Australian scrub.

Thats just the short leash argument. Some still beleive Dante didnt have a short leash. It was night and day what DM and Exum where allowed to get away with. Again, nothing against DM its a different situation but it was there and later turned out to be because Hayward wasnt a fan.

I never said anything about DM and keys, I dont talk like that and wouldnt have a problem. Beleived in him early even when his shot wasnt falling.

 

[Siro]

Thats just the short leash argument. Some still beleive Dante didnt have a short leash. It was night and day what DM and Exum where allowed to get away with. Again, nothing against DM its a different situation but it was there and later turned out to be because Hayward wasnt a fan.

I never said anything about DM and keys, I dont talk like that and wouldnt have a problem. Beleived in him early even when his shot wasnt falling.

It has nothing to do with Hayward. Exum got starter minutes and played pretty much every game. He wasn't instructed to be bad. Any non-homer would see that.

 

[Ron Mexico]

What was the rest of the quote? Dont take things out of context. The majority of my Exum takes are defending him while still recovering or bitching about Mack getting his back up mins...

As for Simmons, I watched the dude come up, his games at LSU. Saying he would be a great player was pretty obvious. Also I took him like 9th round haha.

Its not our of context. You said you are an Exum homer and you are. There are lots of quotes from you to support this.

You even said Simmons would be the best player in the NBA in the next 5 years and probably top 5 this year. That is a homer statement.

As long as Simmons and Embiid are on the floor the 76ers are Golden! Within 5 years they will be the 2 best players on the planet (Simmons may be top 5 next season).

Again, its fine. You are just a homer for those players. I am also an Exum homer.