Douchebag K
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Sorry, I left the study in the Stockton thread.
dude that is a joke. 1 it's in the US only it's full of "suggest" "possible" "likely"
Sorry, I left the study in the Stockton thread.
lol back atcha:
Team leader at the Danish Medicines Agency, Martin Zahle Larsen, told that these are preliminary results.
Therefore, further studies are necessary to determine whether there is an actual connection.
lol back atcha:
You're tilting toward being anti-covid-vax.
lol back atcha:
You're tilting toward being anti-covid-vax.
Actually, it’s your “vaccines are killing people” that’s wrong. And you know what? It’s no joke. But just do what you think is best for you, that’s all we can really do anyway. Trust. Don’t trust. Whatever. After all, just saying I don’t buy into your belief. My baseline was not anti-vax to begin with. (Not that your’s was, I don’t know).dude that is a joke. 1 it's in the US only it's full of "suggest" "possible" "likely"
I did not know chronic hives was a fatal condition. Hey, I just pointed you to a new study contradicting your belief. Not for one second did I expect you to be impressed. You’re believing exactly what you want to believe. I would not expect otherwise. That said, it would be remiss of me not to post that most recent PNAS study.
Actually, it’s your “vaccines are killing people” that’s wrong. And you know what? It’s no joke. But just do what you think is best for you, that’s all we can really do anyway. Trust. Don’t trust. Whatever. After all, just saying I don’t buy into your belief. My baseline was not anti-vax to begin with. (Not that your’s was, I don’t know).
And my chosen approach was the “one for all, all for one” approach I saw reflected in both masking and vaccination. Distrust, conspiracism, irrational beliefs, a president who told America the virus would “disappear like magic”, all those responses from the president, and citizens, was very disappointing.
And into that mix arrives “the vaccinations kill” hysteria.
It’s all part of the irrationality permeating my society. There’s my baseline, and the reason I saw “vaccines kill” as just more evidence of that breakdown in rationality. But, bear in mind, I’ve been following that trend in America for a lot of years now….
Of course I took not one iota of that irrational lunacy seriously.
I was just suitably “jaw dropped”, and carried on with what I perceived to be a rational based, and responsible citizen-based approach, until it’s proven wrong. I did what I felt was best for me, and was deeply saddened by the selfishness our president actually encouraged.
I did not know chronic hives was a fatal condition. Hey, I just pointed you to a new study contradicting your belief. Not for one second did I expect you to be impressed. You’re believing exactly what you want to believe. I would not expect otherwise. That said, it would be remiss of me not to post that most recent PNAS study.
First of all, thanks for going into detail on where you’re coming from, and correcting me regarding you not having said “vaccinations kills”. I appreciate knowing your position better, always a good thing.well i started off Covid very much part of "your team" approach. I only started seeing things and changing my mind about some things about a year into it when i observed sooooo many lies and misrepresentations and lack of facts in things that were being pushed. Irrationality swings in many directions. For example your brain dead friend Thriller who when Joe Rogan talked about taking Ivermectin and other such options rather than the Pfizer treatment banged on about it being "horse wormer" I have no idea of whether that is in any way effective but what i do know is that it is one of the most used medications of all time primarily in humans and that has an extraordinarily good safety profile. And gained a nobel prize for the person who invented it for it's use in humans. There has been incredible irrational belief in certain parts regarding the pros of the vaccines without specific replicable data across all age groups and a refusal to even consider the cons particuarly for kids and young healthy people
And i'll have you stand corrected i haven't said "vaccination kills" at all. Rather i am on the view which is now quite widespread outside of the US where your healthcare system is so deeply corrupted that it is often unnecessary and pointless and carries some risks. I find it staggering that people blindly believe your medical industry in some of these matters. The excess deaths is a big issue because it's very much been swept under the table and the lack of proper safety long term studies of these new injections before being released to market. I don't know what the causes actually are. But if you don't consider whether they may or may not have a part in some of this issues it's wilfull ignorance or just stupidity.
and please see above where i clarified the hives thing was meant in humour if that wasn't clear.
Wait, what?!? You think anti-intellectualism has been the dominant American trait since colonial times? As in, that is the strongest trait, there are no traits in America that have been stronger. You believe the country that created the greatest university system the world has ever seen, the country that invented nearly all of the computational/networking infrastructure enabling the information age, the country that invents the overwhelming majority of medications, the only country to have ever landed people on the moon, you believe that country has no trait in all of its culture that has been more front and center than anti-intellectualism since colonial times? I think you are deluded. I think that is a really stupid opinion, but please do attempt to provide some backing for that claim. Or are you just pulling nonsensical statements of hate for your country from your backside?anti-intellectualism has been a dominant American trait since colonial times.
I was a big fan of American historian Daniel Boorstin’s trilogy “The Americans”. By far my favorite American historian. In describing the early development of our nation, he pointed out the simple fact that in frontier environments, intellectuals really brought no useful skills to bear in building a frontier. Sure, institutions of higher learning were established in colonial times, but suspicion of intellectuals has run throughout our history. And the frontier experience nurtured that, as we grew as a series of frontiers, an environment in far less need of book learning that settled cities. I’ve seen this anti-intellectualism my entire life, been subjected to it at times. Of course, he’s not the only scholar to realize that:Wait, what?!? You think anti-intellectualism has been the dominant American trait since colonial times? As in, that is the strongest trait, there are no traits in America that have been stronger. You believe the country that created the greatest university system the world has ever seen, the country that invented nearly all of the computational/networking infrastructure enabling the information age, the country that invents the overwhelming majority of medications, the only country to have ever landed people on the moon, you believe that country has no trait in all of its culture that has been more front and center than anti-intellectualism since colonial times? I think you are deluded. I think that is a really stupid opinion, but please do attempt to provide some backing for that claim. Or are you just pulling nonsensical statements of hate for your country from your backside?
I want to add something to my reply. I believe you are so speaking from a position of earnest belief. That is something I would never want to belittle. From such a position, one often feels an urgent need that others understand your concern as you do. I’m sure I’m in such a position a lot. That may be why my friends sometimes run when they see me coming. But, seriously, I believe it’s simply as I said originally, that we lean in the direction that we feel is best for ourselves. And we live in information overload. Did I read every piece written warning of the dangers of the Covid vaccines? No, I did not. Should I take your concerns ever bit as serious as you do? In truth, I don’t really know, I went with my instinct. Which is really just a lifetime of being a human being, and included examining the current public climate in the United States, and that I did in spades, and I went with the Moderna and its boosters. I respect your opinion, and I commiserate with the frustration that often results when one sees one’s sense of urgency is not heeded by others. Because I believe the vaccines are safe does not mean I flat out dismiss your concerns, nor do I think you’re foolish for feeling that way. Of course you’re not.well i started off Covid very much part of "your team" approach. I only started seeing things and changing my mind about some things about a year into it when i observed sooooo many lies and misrepresentations and lack of facts in things that were being pushed. Irrationality swings in many directions. For example your brain dead friend Thriller who when Joe Rogan talked about taking Ivermectin and other such options rather than the Pfizer treatment banged on about it being "horse wormer" I have no idea of whether that is in any way effective but what i do know is that it is one of the most used medications of all time primarily in humans and that has an extraordinarily good safety profile. And gained a nobel prize for the person who invented it for it's use in humans. There has been incredible irrational belief in certain parts regarding the pros of the vaccines without specific replicable data across all age groups and a refusal to even consider the cons particuarly for kids and young healthy people
And i'll have you stand corrected i haven't said "vaccination kills" at all. Rather i am on the view which is now quite widespread outside of the US where your healthcare system is so deeply corrupted that it is often unnecessary and pointless and carries some risks. I find it staggering that people blindly believe your medical industry in some of these matters. The excess deaths is a big issue because it's very much been swept under the table and the lack of proper safety long term studies of these new injections before being released to market. I don't know what the causes actually are. But if you don't consider whether they may or may not have a part in some of this issues it's wilfull ignorance or just stupidity.
and please see above where i clarified the hives thing was meant in humour if that wasn't clear.
mate solid post I never doubt the integrity of your intentions and efforts and own person beliefs, and i appreciate your efforts to tackle issues.I want to add something to my reply. I believe you are so speaking from a position of earnest belief. That is something I would never want to belittle. From such a position, one often feels an urgent need that others understand your concern as you do. I’m sure I’m in such a position a lot. That may be why my friends sometimes run when they see me coming. But, seriously, I believe it’s simply as I said originally, that we lean in the direction that we feel is best for ourselves. And we live in information overload. Did I read every piece written warning of the dangers of the Covid vaccines? No, I did not. Should I take your concerns ever bit as serious as you do? In truth, I don’t really know, I went with my instinct. Which is really just a lifetime of being a human being, and included examining the current public climate in the United States, and that I did in spades, and I went with the Moderna and its boosters. I respect your opinion, and I commiserate with the frustration that often results when one sees one’s sense of urgency is not heeded by others. Because I believe the vaccines are safe does not mean I flat out dismiss your concerns, nor do I think you’re foolish for feeling that way. Of course you’re not.
Ignorance on your part. Assumptions on your part. You didn’t know practicality was part of the American character…..I said it was not a subject for this thread, but you had to go with your assumptions about me in your reaction to a simple observation on my part. So, you got two replies with the “backing” you no doubt assumed could not exist. Assumed because…me.I think that is a really stupid opinion, but please do attempt to provide some backing for that claim. Or are you just pulling nonsensical statements of hate for your country from your backside?
Being practical or pragmatic is not the same thing as being anti-intellectual. An example of an anti-intellectual society was the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. They pretty much wiped out the educated class.he feels that the demands and pressures of colonial life fostered in colonial Americans this pragmatic mindset that remains central to the thinking of contemporary Americans
UnfortunateInteresting. FDA forced to remove it's posts on Ivermectin as part of a legal settlement
FDA settles lawsuit over Ivermectin social media posts
The FDA said it will remove social-media posts that indicate ivermectin is for animals, not humans.www.newsweek.com
I just think you have a lot to learn about this subject, that’s all…..Being practical or pragmatic is not the same thing as being anti-intellectual. An example of an anti-intellectual society was the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. They pretty much wiped out the educated class.
American practicality is more along the lines of holding medical doctors to account for their work. We generally hold medical doctors in high esteem socially and we praise medical advancements, but when one harms a patient through incompetence, we sue the crap out of them and if it’s really bad then we pull the license to practice medicine. In practical America, holding the title of doctor is not in and of itself enough to absolve you of responsibility for malpractice. That does not make America anti-doctor. It makes America practical, pragmatic, holding the evaluation of effectiveness of performance above the evaluation of title.
Being practical or pragmatic was not what you accused American of being. It was being anti-intellectual like the Khmer Rouge. You ignore all the evidence I mentioned earlier, such as building the greatest university system and the advancements to the sciences that exceed every other country in the history of Earth, to stick to your America-hating tripe. Okay, so you found someone who wrote some things you’ve twisted into believing supports your ideas of America’s dominant trait being opposition to the pursuit of intellect. I think you are wrong and that you are ignoring a mountain of contrary evidence that proves just how much pragmatic, practical America has done to advance humankind’s collective intellect.
It accepts conflict as a central and enduring reality and understands human society as a form of equipoise based upon the continuing process of compromise. It shuns ultimate showdowns and looks upon the ideal of total partisan victory as unattainable, as merely another variety of threat to the kind of balance with which it is familiar. It is sensitive to nuances and sees things in degrees. It is essentially relativist and skeptical, but at the same time circumspect and humane.
Because Hofstadter does confront the conflict candidly, he winds up in a very small category. It’s interesting to think of him in contrast to, for example, Walter Lippmann, who wrestled with the same problem for years and wound up becoming more and more unsympathetic to democracy. Hofstadter’s position is far more morally attractive, because it acknowledges the appeal of both sides and proposes a continual struggle between them, rather than the establishment of an American version of Plato’s Republic. That has the advantages of descriptive accuracy, and of realism. Hofstadter’s lesson is that those who oppose anti-intellectualism should conceive of their lives as a struggle that will never conclude in victory but that also need not ever end in total defeat.Anti-intellectualism . . . is founded in the democratic institutions and the egalitarian sentiments of this country. The intellectual class, whether or not it enjoys many of the privileges of an elite, is of necessity an elite in its manner of thinking and functioning . . . . Intellectuals in the twentieth century have thus found themselves engaged in incompatible efforts: They have tried to be good and believing citizens of a democratic society and at the same time to resist the vulgarization of culture which that society constantly produces. It is rare for an American intellectual to confront candidly the unresolvable conflict between the elite character of his own class and his democratic aspirations.
How ?Unfortunate
Now there are no official government warnings against purchasing de-wormer paste designed for livestock and the human ingestion thereof as an anti-viral medicine. I presume you support only taking ivermectin as a de-wormer.How ?
Now there are no official government warnings against purchasing de-wormer paste designed for livestock and the human ingestion thereof as an anti-viral medicine. I presume you support only taking ivermectin as a de-wormer.