Do we have a future superstar on the team?

[Hotdog]

Why not? Maybe because your 'predictions' are also always perennially incorrect? See January 2012 prediction thread, or even the 2011-2012 season thread, let alone all of your talk on how KOC blew it again by drafting 'busts' in the first round.


FWIW at this stage of the game, I agree with you when you say that Lebron is the better shooter. Likewise, like you said, he also as the potential to exceed him, especially when you consider where they both started out.


Lastly, AK played rather poorly as 3rd fiddle to Deron and Boozer, did he not? Or are we gonna argue that he was 4th or 5th option on the Jazz?

I would say Okur was ahead of Ak too. So 4th fiddle

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't think we have a superstar on the team. We are the 2004 Pistons.

 

[Stifle Tower]

AK was not superstar. All-star but not superstar. He is perfect 3d option to two superstars.

Agree with the 1st half of your post. AK had the potential to be a superstar. LHM recognized that when he gave him the MAX contract. Larry said he wasn't worth that much YET, but would be. Unfortunately, AK stopped working on his game, relying on his athleticism instead of working on his offensive skills and strengthening his body to withstand the rigors of an 82-game season.

AS for being a perfect 3rd option...I think AK is beyond that at this stage. He dominates in Europe because he's a BIG forward. In the U.S. he's a skinny 4 or a poor-shooting 3. He's no longer a shot-blocker and he's a below-average one-on-one defender.

I'd expect around 12-5-3-1 for AK. And I'd be surprised to see him play more than 70 games. Solid stats for a backup, but way overpriced at $10M.

 

[MVP]

Why not? Maybe because your 'predictions' are also always perennially incorrect? See January 2012 prediction thread, or even the 2011-2012 season thread, let alone all of your talk on how KOC blew it again by drafting 'busts' in the first round.

See prediction about Hayward before last season. I was spot on. You on the other hand overrated a bit, while Thee Jazz fan was way way off with his 20 pts per game nonsense. I agree, I underestimated Jazz as a team before last season and my prediction of 29wins was wrong. Does not mean I am perennially incorrect when it comes to players.

Lastly, AK played rather poorly as 3rd fiddle to Deron and Boozer, did he not? Or are we gonna argue that he was 4th or 5th option on the Jazz?

Boozer is/was not superstar and it is true that AK played poorly in 2006-2007 when he was reduced to 4th or 5th role. 2007-2008 season he was 2d best player on the Jazz based on Roland rating and 2008-2009 he was the best - see 82games.com ( yes better then Deron or Boozer). Please, lets not even go to reasons why he struggled in 2006-2007 as it is whole new/old can of worms and I am not willing to talk about it again and again. His play this season for different coach will be perfect answer to all haters.

 

[MVP]

. Unfortunately, AK stopped working on his game, relying on his athleticism instead of working on his offensive skills and strengthening his body to withstand the rigors of an 82-game season.

I respectfully disagree. He worked on his shooting with Hornacek for 3 years or more? Gained weight as well.

AS for being a perfect 3rd option...I think AK is beyond that at this stage. He dominates in Europe because he's a BIG forward. In the U.S. he's a skinny 4 or a poor-shooting 3. He's no longer a shot-blocker and he's a below-average one-on-one defender.

I'd expect around 12-5-3-1 for AK. And I'd be surprised to see him play more than 70 games. Solid stats for a backup, but way overpriced at $10M.

Again, I disagree. He was blocking shots just fine in Europe and in Olympics. You do not factor experience and playing in Adelman's pass happy offense in your prediction. I think you may be right about rebounds ( at least when Love is back) and possibly points, but he will have more assists, stl and blks for sure.
Plus we should be talking AK in general NBA - there is a thread "AK watch".

 

[MVP]

I don't think we have a superstar on the team. We are the 2004 Pistons.

They had B.Wallace - reigning DPOY and ALL-star. I think it is fair to call him superstar at that time, he was absolute defensive/rebounding monster in the paint. We have nobody at that level.

 

[Deleted member 848]

See prediction about Hayward before last season. I was spot on..

What was your prediction again? Id love to see where you predicted that he'd average 12PPG.

You on the other hand overrated a bit, while Thee Jazz fan was way way off with his 20 pts per game nonsense. I agree, I underestimated Jazz as a team before last season and my prediction of 29wins was wrong. Does not mean I am perennially incorrect when it comes to players.

Overrated a bit? Here was my post.

For the record, I slotted him at 12-15. I don't feel like this is the season where he will explode, but I can see myself being wrong. Im sort of expecting a small bump statistically for most of our youth, with nothing too exaggerated. Like I don't think Favors will go past 16 PPG. There guys are just sophomores. Im expecting Hayward to have a Wesley Matthews type season at the absolute best.

Gordon's scoring more or less fell in my interval (11.8), and he scored 4PPG less than his absolute ceiling of the season that I placed on him. He also didn't explode, much like I predicted. Didn't have it in this post, but I ALSO remember arguing hat his assists and rebounds would go up, which they did. Again, please show me where you said that he would average exactly 11.8 PPG or wtv, since your prediction apparently was 'spot on'.

Boozer is/was not superstar and it is true that AK played poorly in 2006-2007 when he was reduced to 4th or 5th role. 2007-2008 season he was 2d best player on the Jazz based on Roland rating and 2008-2009 he was the best - see 82games.com ( yes better then Deron or Boozer). Please, lets not even go to reasons why he struggled in 2006-2007 as it is whole new/old can of worms and I am not willing to talk about it again and again. His play this season for different coach will be perfect answer to all haters.

Define superstar. Dude was an olympian, and Utah's best player in the 2007 playoffs. 23.5/12 on a WCF run? Sound like superstar numbers, at least by my definition.


And excuse my while I LOL. Didn't AK start only 10 games in the 2009 season? Best player on the Jazz that season? Buddy, you're killing me.

 

[MVP]

And excuse my while I LOL. Didn't AK start only 10 games in the 2009 season? Best player on the Jazz that season? Buddy, you're killing me.

why don't you look at the website I provided.

https://www.82games.com/0809/0809UTA.HTM

 

[MVP]

What was your prediction again? Id love to see where you predicted that he'd average 12PPG.
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Go to the poll and see how everybody voted. I voted 9-12pts, you 12-15pts. Since he averaged 11.8 I was right on and you slightly overrated.

 

[Deleted member 848]

why don't you look at the website I provided.

https://www.82games.com/0809/0809UTA.HTM

Because I don't need garbage statistics to replace my two ****ing eyeballs.



Someone sig this.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Go to the poll and see how everybody voted. I voted 9-12pts, you 12-15pts. Since he averaged 11.8 I was right on and you slightly overrated.

Hahahah ohhhh AK. You and I both know that you would've never imagined that he'd average ~12 PPG. But sure, keep telling yourself that you're more right than I am. Its funny that on one hand you claim that KOC always busts with 1st round picks, but then you believe that Hayward would've averaged 12PPG as a sophomore (how many other players picked after 9 averaged 12ppg last season? Now hows that for a question).

 

[MVP]

Define superstar. Dude was an olympian, and Utah's best player in the 2007 playoffs. 23.5/12 on a WCF run? Sound like superstar numbers, at least by my definition.

Olympian, who did not won gold and played limited minutes from the bench. Boozer can't be called superstar due to his pathetic effort on defense. Superstars do everything to lead their teams and win games in clutch situations on both ends of the floor. Boozer was scoring, rebounding PF - efficient due to system and PG working for him, not a superstar in my book by any chance. See how he is doing in Chicago and that should answer you the question.

 

[MVP]

Its funny that on one hand you claim that KOC always busts with 1st round picks, but then you believe that Hayward would've averaged 12PPG as a sophomore (how many other players picked after 9 averaged 12ppg last season? Now hows that for a question).

How many of those players played 30 minutes?

 

[MVP]

Because I don't need garbage statistics to replace my two ****ing eyeballs.
Someone sig this.

lo, dude you were like 15 year old at that time, what your two.... ing eyeballls can tell you at that age?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Olympian, who did not won gold

LOL.

and played limited minutes from the bench. Boozer can't be called superstar due to his pathetic effort on defense. Superstars do everything to lead their teams and win games in clutch situations on both ends of the floor. Boozer was scoring, rebounding PF - efficient due to system and PG working for him, not a superstar in my book by any chance. See how he is doing in Chicago and that should answer you the question.

I'd say that Booz was a star in 2007. Arguing if he's a superstar or not, when we both probably have different definitions of what a superstar is, is rather stupid.


Not as stupid as forgetting about Booz winning in 2008 with the Redeem Team, mind you. But its up there.

 

[Deleted member 848]

How many of those players played 30 minutes?

What a ******** argument. Not worthy of any more words.

lo, dude you were like 15 year old at that time, what your two.... ing eyeballls can tell you at that age?

Oooooh, more age beaks. Its funny, because the more you bring up my age, the more it points towards your incompetence to both as a basketball analyst, and towards your intelligence as well.

 

[jumpin bean]

AKMVP also known as calgary jazz on an old site has a bet with me from last year that Kanter would be a bust pick from KOC ,and that Valanciunis should have been the Jazz pick.We had to read post after post about Kanter cant do this or that and will never be.I am surprised that he is posting on a thread where Kanter is getting a huge majority of the votes for superstar status.I AM BETTING MY LIFE HE DIDNT PUNCH A VOTE FOR EK.

 

[Deleted member 848]

AKMVP also known as calgary jazz on an old site has a bet with me from last year that Kanter would be a bust pick from KOC ,and that Valanciunis should have been the Jazz pick.We had to read post after post about Kanter cant do this or that and will never be.I am surprised that he is posting on a thread where Kanter is getting a huge majority of the votes for superstar status.I AM BETTING MY LIFE HE DIDNT PUNCH A VOTE FOR EK.

Of course EK will be a bust, KOC simply cannot draft 1st round picks.


And please, PLEASE, please tell me that AK doesn't live in the same province as me. Him and JimLes will have to meet up sometime.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Of course EK will be a bust, KOC simply cannot draft 1st round picks.


And please, PLEASE, please tell me that AK doesn't live in the same province as me. Him and JimLes will have to meet up sometime.

I am loving following but not having to post. Well done Dala .. owning it.

 

[MVP]

Oooooh, more age beaks. Its funny, because the more you bring up my age, the more it points towards your incompetence to both as a basketball analyst, and towards your intelligence as well.

Sorry but your opinion about Jazz when you were 14-15 year old can't be taken seriously.