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LoPo said:
Good read about our Jazz, the Cavs, Bucks and others: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-trade-chatter-from-the-g-league-showcase/

But this is interesting: "League sources said things in Utah were starting to get contentious and that management and the coaching staff may not be on the same page with the direction of the roster and that change seems necessary."

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So who wants to ride out our emaciated ponies, management or coaching staff?
 
str8line said:
So who wants to ride out our emaciated ponies, management or coaching staff?
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If there's anything to the report, I would bet that management is actually paying attention to the record and the direction of the team and wanting to do something, while the coaching staff are doggedly trying to win with the team that is there and don't really want to make moves. I think we'd be seeing way more **** being pulled in-games if the coaching staff wanted to trade everybody/particular players and management wanted to ride it out.
 
LoPo said:
Good read about our Jazz, the Cavs, Bucks and others: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-trade-chatter-from-the-g-league-showcase/

But this is interesting: "League sources said things in Utah were starting to get contentious and that management and the coaching staff may not be on the same page with the direction of the roster and that change seems necessary."

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If there's anything to this:

Cleveland is wisely looking to shed salary because money is real. Crowder could be on the table, they're trying to dump Shump. I think there are a lot of deals centered around them dumping Shumpert that could leave us with Shumpert and Crowder or their first. I know nothing about Cedi Osman.

Magic are active. Fournier is getting impatient with them never making any progress (as is Vuc), and Magic are looking to shed salary (for some reason). I view Fournier as a pretty clear upgrade to Hood, but I'm not an expert on him. It's impossible for me to think someone could be streakier than Hood or play worse defense (on this the numbers support that Fournier is significantly better on that end as well as passing).
 
After reading the article, this trade might be possible: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ya3tnu

Cavs get Favors and JoeJ
Jazz get Crowder, Shumpert, Osman and Frye

Why for Cavs: according to the article, they want to shed Shumpert, shed future salaries, and shed luxury tax dollars. Check, check, and check. Favors and JoeJ help them win more now than any of the 4 they are dumping.

Why for us: Crowder is a better fit as a small 4 than Favors and he is on a bargain contract. Osman is a nice piece for the future. Frye probably gets waived. Shumpert is the wild card. Maybe we could find a painless way to get him to Houston.

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I haven't seen tons of him, but I'll definitely say Fournier is a better passer. By a wide margin. He's also really good friends with Rudy.
 
LoPo said:
After reading the article, this trade might be possible: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ya3tnu

Cavs get Favors and JoeJ
Jazz get Crowder, Shumpert, Osman and Frye

Why for Cavs: according to the article, they want to shed Shumpert, shed future salaries, and shed luxury tax dollars. Check, check, and check. Favors and JoeJ help them win more now than any of the 4 they are dumping.

Why for us: Crowder is a better fit as a small 4 than Favors and he is on a bargain contract. Osman is a nice piece for the future. Frye probably gets waived. Shumpert is the wild card. Maybe we could find a painless way to get him to Houston.

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Shumpert isn't a wild card. He's a guy you can't count on and paid $11 million next season (if he opts in). It's fine.
 
NAOS said:
I haven't seen tons of him, but I'll definitely say Fournier is a better passer. By a wide margin. He's also really good friends with Rudy.
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Yeah. I'm not of the opinion Fournier is better, but he would fit the Jazz better in some ways. I just think if Fournier comes to this current iteration of the Jazz, he is going to have the same issues, if not more, as Hood. Magic got a lot of players to share the offensive creation burden with. In Utah he'd be forced to do a lot more.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah. I'm not of the opinion Fournier is better, but he would fit the Jazz better in some ways. I just think if Fournier comes to this current iteration of the Jazz, he is going to have the same issues, if not more, as Hood. Magic got a lot of players to share the offensive creation burden with. In Utah he'd be forced to do a lot more.
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why would he be forced to do more here? DM, Ingles, Rubio (for the time being), Mirotic ;)

I'd swap Hood for Fournier right now. Very little hesitation.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah. I'm not of the opinion Fournier is better, but he would fit the Jazz better in some ways. I just think if Fournier comes to this current iteration of the Jazz, he is going to have the same issues, if not more, as Hood. Magic got a lot of players to share the offensive creation burden with. In Utah he'd be forced to do a lot more.
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I can’t say I’m any kid of expert on Fournier (honestly mostly highlights), but his game seems a lot more similar to Hayward. Not taking as many threes but moving in for mid-range Js, plus a lot of passing. Him being able to pass would be a significant difference from Hood.
 
LoPo said:
Good read about our Jazz, the Cavs, Bucks and others: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-trade-chatter-from-the-g-league-showcase/

But this is interesting: "League sources said things in Utah were starting to get contentious and that management and the coaching staff may not be on the same page with the direction of the roster and that change seems necessary."

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Its rare anything like this gets out about the Jazz but if true, I wonder what the disconnect is?

To tank or not to tank?
Trade targets?
Personnel? (What players FO wants to include in trade)
Persisting with defensive identity?
Pivot around maxing DM?
 
elan_prodigy said:
Its rare anything like this gets out about the Jazz but if true, I wonder what the disconnect is?

To tank or not to tank?
Trade targets?
Personnel? (What players FO wants to include in trade)
Persisting with defensive identity?
Pivot around maxing DM?
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I’d say not moving Rubio to the bench is illogical at this point and we’re resting on previous hype to rationalize the necessity of his starting position. I’d say clearly Quin is okay with continuing the Rudy/Derrick/Ricky lineup at least for (terrible) starts and (terrible) continuations in the third. However, I’d assume this is a decision DL stays out of and honestly feels we spent a price on Ricky (could cost us the opportunity to trade for someone like Niko) and we have to rationalize that.
 
LoPo said:
Good read about our Jazz, the Cavs, Bucks and others: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-trade-chatter-from-the-g-league-showcase/

But this is interesting: "League sources said things in Utah were starting to get contentious and that management and the coaching staff may not be on the same page with the direction of the roster and that change seems necessary."

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If there's contention, it's probably DL taking the long view (after all, he's the master of the perpetual rebuild). And Snyder is highly competitive; he wants to win NOW. You also have reports that Gobert wants to rush back.

I think Lindsey HAS to do something before the deadline. He's talked big about making trades since his arrival, but he's largely come up empty-handed. Oh yeah, there was the blockbuster two years ago for Shelvin Mack.

Jazz only have two starters worth ****: Mitchell and Gobert. Two great draft picks, but Lindsey has failed to add others with his many mistakes. Now he has to add a couple via trades.
 
NUMBERICA said:
2018 cap space is a myth. 2018 free agents aren't worth it. We should be taking on 2019 expirings and take on whatever assets that come along with facilitating those deals.
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Agree. The decision is really about adding players now like Mirotic, Fournier, or anyone else that might be available, committing to Hood and/or Exum, or setting the Jazz up for making offers in 2019. Of course, that latter strategy is extremely risky. Would the prospective UFA's even have interest in signing with Utah?
 
I really like Thabo, but his injury just made him an asset. We can get a ton in this market with expirings. Half of the league is over the luxury next year. We will have offers.

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LoPo said:
I really like Thabo, but his injury just made him an asset. We can get a ton in this market with expirings. Half of the league is over the luxury next year. We will have offers.

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He’s making like $5M. What people in that salary range did you have in mind that other teams feel they need to dump, and what do you think they’ll include to be able to dump $5M?
 
Jack Strop said:
Agree. The decision is really about adding players now like Mirotic, Fournier, or anyone else that might be available, committing to Hood and/or Exum, or setting the Jazz up for making offers in 2019. Of course, that latter strategy is extremely risky. Would the prospective UFA's even have interest in signing with Utah?
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The Jazz have succeeded largely without contributions from Hood or Exum (or Favors for that matter). I don't see the risk.
 
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