ENES KANTER: The third and last game of the preparation tourney will start in half an hour
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I m pretty optimistic that Kanter will be much better than either Boozer or AJ in 2-3 yrs. We have seen the same games but i see his mistakes in a different way than yours. What i have seen from Kanter are recoverable mistakes which are due to game lackness. I think his basketball iq is pretty good, just he was too much in a rush to prove something and he had funny screenings time to time (even though he does it very often which is a good thing and he has an advantage of having huge body to create space for the pg). So i dont think he has weaknesses that wont be covered over time. Im more than sure he will be a 20 10 player but he needs a lot of time for developing. I dont think we will lose a lot, if he starts this season together with Favors even if he will fail to avg more than 10 7.
Just i wanna see the future starters of this franchise to start right now. For me that will enhance our progress speed.
What i think is AJ cant be a good defender at all even he will be enforced by the coaching staff just because he lacks basketball iq and thats something you cant be taught. He should try mastering the things he does good so he can make them perfect and improve his shooting consistency.
But honestly i dont think he will be a cornerstone for the franchise anymore. I just dont see the talent and commitment for utah in him. We can maybe get a good SF considering AK will leave, plus a couple of trade picks and a player contact to be waived if we trade him or getting a pg as well adding harris to the trade.
InGameStrategy
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Again, on a few occasions Big Al has "exposed" his ability to play defense. As in he put forth effort and actually defended. Too bad, sepanol; the cat's out of the bag.
I also respectfully disagree that at least some on-court smarts ("basketball IQ") can't be taught.
This is a given, no matter whether IQ is teachable.
You have clearly forgotten (or never saw) the glow on his face when he was traded to Utah.
And he seems plenty "committed" to Utah on the offensive end of the court <<sigh>>.
If a trade for equal value magically appears for AJ, fine. For example, trading for Granger would be tempting. At $15 million per, though, I don't see it happening. But he is only 25 or 26, has been on even more poorly coached teams, and needs more time to develop--and be committed to playing on both ends on the court.
The notion that basketball IQ can be taught is debatable, but the fact that effort and commitment can be taught is not.
Joe Bagadonuts
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The main thing I learned from this post is that popular Turkish sayings don't necessarily make a damn bit of sense when translated to English. Now I'm going to eat 40 bakeries of bread and see where that gets me.
Joe Bagadonuts
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The difference between a great pick and a bust is 3 points and 1 rebound per game? Sounds about right.
Well, wrestling had been one of the top sports during the Ottoman Empire time, and I do not think there were weight categories at that time. So if you eat 40 bakeries of bread, you might have chance to become a top wrestler ( if we were in 16th century, of course)
i think that lasted until D will was traded.
I think they are already ready to expend Granger. They traded George Hill, so I'm assuming they are going to want to start him at SG (or maybe just a Ginobili/Terry esque 6th man) then have George play SF. I just think they want more of a pure PF than Jefferson. Him and Hibbert wouldn't be an ideal front court combo.
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Fishsticks
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You missed my point. Dont be a tard. Its was said we would EXCEED 16 and 8 in year four. Come to think of it tard sounds about right.
InGameStrategy
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Feel free to share your basis for this claim; Big Al's stats suggest differently.
AJ's scoring, rebounding rate, and even assists were significantly higher since February 25, after DW was traded. (Blocks remained about the same, especially per minute (per 30 minutes).)
And my recollection that he had more gross lapses of defense before the trade than after.
IMHO it is no coincidence that Al's defense was worse (or no better) in the Sloan era.
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dont. you will be too fat
Stats may give a general opinion about a player but it will make you miss the details. I have seen most of the utah games this year, and what i thought about Big Al was, he is very talented but somehow he cant use his talents. He just lacks something to be a franchise guy. I didnt think a team would ever win a championship while it has boozer as the main PF and i think the same about Big Al . Well i give more credit to him than Boozer, at least in the defensive end, but still he cant be the go to guy of a contender, thats my belief.
Also, after D will left he was like the only star-like player in the team who got the ball in his hands all the time. But it doesnt mean teams performance was better. It is like, Memo's stats were significantly higher when Boozer was injured most of the season 3 years ago but it didnt make Memo a better player, just he had more responsibility and it was appeared on his stats.
InGameStrategy
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I agree that AJ got more touches, and that the more frequent touches might have contributed to higher stats (at least the scoring part--not necessarily the RBs or the blocks, the latter of which stayed about the same).
But you stated (or at least I understood) that you thought that Al's "commitment" fell when DW left. You still haven't addressed that claim.
I also think that it's a year or two too early before writing AJ off as a "franchise" player. It's been only one year that he's been on a team with a winning record--or at least a recent history of a winning record.
I ment, he seemed too frustrated to be on a team completely different than he came in the beginning of the season. I know he wants to win, but sometimes thats not enough, he just doesnt have a good basketball iq to carry a team to championship. Also after Kanter was drafted, i believe his commitment to this team is decreased because he may have it on his mind that Kanter-Favors will be the franchise players so he will be traded once they show the signs of good development.
Enes can rebound, play physical inside, score around the rim and make effort on defense. I like him better than Okur already.
larryselbows
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Enes didn't play all that poorly in the games I saw, just not spectacular...
This article justifies to me, at least partially, why that may have been.
https://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/...landing_bucks.html?blockID=546634&feedID=5059
Perhaps this is why Kanter never seemed to get touches or establish any sort of rhythm.
This article justifies to me, at least partially, why that may have been.
https://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/...landing_bucks.html?blockID=546634&feedID=5059
Perhaps this is why Kanter never seemed to get touches or establish any sort of rhythm.
InGameStrategy
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I continue to wait for you to cite specific examples and evidence supporting Big Al's diminished commitment (and now, your new related claim that he is frustrated). The only information that I've seen about AJ since Kanter was drafted is that he's working out harder, which is close to the opposite of your accusations of Al.
You're also exposing your illogic on this claim when you bring in the "Kanter-Favors" idea. Jefferson didn't know about "Kanter-Favors" last year, so it shouldn't have affected his performance (which I astutely showed to improve after your weakly suggested that losing Deron had something to do with it) or "commitment". Furthermore, with his NBA experience and familiarity with the Jazz system, Al Jefferson is in a far better position to be a franchise player for a minimum of the next several years. Kanter neither has the skills to be part of the "franchise" yet, and we have far less of an idea if EK has commitment to Utah than we do with AJ.
The only higher commitment that Kanter has to Utah is more years left on his contract--two of which are at the team's option. If anything, Kanter has the potential to be a franchise player after Jefferson does; i.e., about 5 seasons from now after AJ is into his 30's. It's possible that Big Al will move (or be moved) to another team before then, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Kanter is a long way away from having the (unofficial) franchise tag attached to him. He needs to learn how to play NBA basketball first, and these past games have given fuzzy indication, at best, that he will reach that potential.
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Running a clinic. Sepanol needs to take off his homer glasses for 30 seconds and actually think about how valuable Al could be to this team, especially given his work-ethic this offseason.