I agree. It's actually silly too because they'd basically have to gut the entire roster besides Mitchell and Gobert. Fun to think about, though.I think this is a bit unrealistic but still interesting.
I agree. It's actually silly too because they'd basically have to gut the entire roster besides Mitchell and Gobert. Fun to think about, though.I think this is a bit unrealistic but still interesting.
Larsen compared Powell's contract to Smart but Boston is not Portland. They are still trying to win and see where Tatum/Brown could take them. They are one good point guard away from becoming a force in the East again.I always kinda thought the rush to have them salary dump Smart was premature. Even if it was Ingles and a 1st round pick that doesn't do a lot for them.
They have no urgency to do a deal that is okay-ish. They can do that deal in the offseason if they want. Gonna have to wow them right now or they wait.
So this is a number of pages back, before another explosion of a rehashing of the Conley trade. I’m not certain if part of this was directed at me as my larger post where I referenced DL “keeping the powder dry” and it translating to Conley. Just some clarity on that:Conley deal was the best move the FO made in a while. It's still an extremely good trade for the Jazz.
The issue is how many assets they used up on backup center over and over again. That's really it. Anything else is nitpicking and having unrealistic expectations about how much a FO can get right.
Grant. Better defensively, more dynamic on offense. Not the same level shooter obviously, but for what we need Grant fits the bill better than Barnes.People, please let's talk about trade deadline not Conley deal we made years ago. That deal was years ago, get used to it. And please don't react to people who trolls every thread with his stupid ideas.
Grant or Barnes? Which one you prefer? Why?
My general trade deadline/state of the Jazz thoughts below.
1. Grant & (especially) Barnes are overrated. Advanced stats have never been a big fan of either. I think Barnes is at a point in his career where he's better off guarding 4's.
2. The Jazz have nearly as good of a chance as anyone to win the West. Maybe 20-25%. I think GSW is the best team. Phoenix poses a challenge in that Paul & Booker are good at hitting the midrange shots the Jazz are generally happy to concede. Utah does have the disadvantage of likely having to face both GSW & Phoenix and playing both on the road.
3. A lot of the narrative around what the Jazz "need" is based on last year's playoffs, particularly someone to guard 3s/4s. The best scorers on the other West contenders are all in the backcourt. Improving overall athleticism & rebounding will help, but I'm not super worried about bringing in a Mikal Bridges stopper or someone to shut down OPJr.
4. If no deal is out there, the Jazz should still 100% move Joe to save the $25MM in salary/tax. OKC will extract a cost for doing business, but because of the quirks of salary rules, OKC could actually pay out less in cash this year by trading for Joe if Utah sent money to cover the remainder of his contact.
5. Bogey, not Clarkson, is the biggest negative defensively. One or two highlights of BB playing Kawhi tough last spring doesn't change my opinion here. Advanced metrics also agree.
6. The West next year is going to be insane. Clippers will have PG/Kawhi & 10 interchangeable wings. The 100% healthy version of the Nuggets w/Jokic/Murray/Porter/Gordon put up insane stats last season. Warriors & Suns are unlikely to fall off dramatically. The Grizzlies are well-positioned for a consolidation move to add another big time player to Ja & Jaren.
7. Meanwhile, Conley, Bogey, Gay and maybe even Rudy are likely to decline due to age. The Jazz should still be able to compete, but 2022 is probably their best chance.
8. Of the options available at this year's deadline, Smart or Kenrich + reducing the tax bill significantly are the only ones that really excite me.
9. Richardson seems like a good fit on paper. I'm not sure why the advanced stats don't like him even in a year when he's shooting very well from the field.
10. I loved the Butler pick, but his early numbers finishing at the rim concern me. I hope they don't portend an athleticism deficit that's too steep to overcome.
11. I would not surrender a first for Barnes. I wouldn't trade Royce for Barnes straight up.
12. If the price for Grant is really two firsts, I'd want no part of that.
13. In general, I'd be hesitant to part with any more future firsts unless the return felt like it significantly improved Utah's odds of winning the conference. If no such deal is available, I'd be content throwing some seconds at a Justin Holiday or Jeremy Lamb type. I just don't see the gap between Barnes/Grant and these guys as being that big.
14. There's a very real scenario where the Jazz are rebuilding in a few years. If they're in a position where they need to move Donovan for whatever reason, I'd want the return from that trade to put the Jazz in a position where Utah is in a "plus" position in terms of draft assets, meaning they control their own stock plus whatever they get for Mitchell. I'd hate for any potential Mitchell return to merely get them back to even b/c the Jazz gave up so many future picks.
15. In general, I think Lindsey went one player too far in moving from the defense oriented teams in '18 and '19 to the all shooting editions these last two years. Getting Conley & Clarkson for Rubio/Exum and moving Favors out of the starting lineup would have been enough on their own to ensure a top-notch offense. I think Utah would be better off with a Crowder type than Bogey at that other forward spot.
16. I probably subscribe more to the "bites at the apple" philosophy than most posters here. By that I mean I think if the Jazz continue to make the playoffs with a team that's in the top few in the league in net rating, I assume at some point the bounces will go their way. I realize that's not the most popular option on here--there seem to be many advocates of going all-in--and Quinn is often criticized for talking about waiting to get a "good roll."
Really interesting interview on Checketts show this afternoon with Tony Jones
-Said he 100% think's the Jazz will make a trade to replace Joe's spot in the rotation and that they have interest in Josh Richardson.
-Not exactly sure what he meant by this but said that another downside to losing Joe is that they lose one of the only guys in the Lockeroom that could look Donovan Mitchell in the eye and tell him no.
-The Jazz still believe that they can win a championship if healthy and are all in, so they won't hesitate to trade draft picks.
- If Jerami Grant is on the table for Joe's salary and two first round picks then he thinks it's a no brainer to make that move.
-The front office is starting to take on the personality of Danny Ainge and some of the names that are popping up that the Jazz are interested in are different from the type of guys that Dennis Lindsey went after.
-Joe's contract is the main thing being shopped but doesn't think they would hesitate to include another rotation player in a deal if they thought it could make the team better.
-There's a guy that a source told him Ainge is going after (Tony wouldn't reveal the name on air but said he'd text it to Spence) that is totally a Danny Ainge guy and someone that no front office in Jazz history before this one would've tried to get in a Jazz jersey. Any guesses who that could be?
https://espn700sports.com/news/tony...njury-mitchell-returning-trade-deadline-more/
What the Jazz are mindful of is trying to walk the balance between attempting to fortify the roster for the stretch run and maintaining future flexibility. In other words, there is hesitance on mortgaging the future in trying to win a title this season. It’s a reason why Utah is likely to be careful of any trade that involves a future first-round pick. Yes, Utah gave a first in order to move Derrick Favors’ contract this offseason. But that allowed the Jazz the financial flexibility to re-sign Conley, who is still playing at a very high level.
This is what Tony Jones said in an interview with Spence Checketts on Thursday.
And this is what Tony said today in his article today:
So what changed in 4 days?
Did they change the rules? I thought you couldn’t trade a guy that soon while aggregating him with someone else.I don't know if this has already been posted but in his latest article for The Athletic, John Hollinger suggested the Jazz should still pursue Covington for Ingles. Say's that a deal of Ingles/Gay for Covington/Ibaka would save the Clippers millions in luxury tax.
That's fair. He is a much better shooter too. On the other hand, Paschall brings hustle and athleticism. Gay's IQ and discipline is much higher but he looks a tad slow. Just sayin he seems expendable, given the type of players we are pursuing.I still have big issues with Paschall's team defense and rebounding. It's simply bad. Overall I just trust Rudy Gay more.